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L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

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Amon-Sul
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American ones scored 3 hits
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Amon-Sul
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do u want me to roll the bomber manually for u to know how much hits i ve got totally?
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U have 3 hits taken that had to be taken on ur ships
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Amon-Sul
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i see Ur off .

i am going to take breackfast and do some stuff i have to do.

i ll come back later

cheers
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trulpen @Amon-Sul
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You can actually just take anything and then if I want anything different the battle has to be restarted. Don’t roll the bomber manually, because it will roll after picking these causalties anyway. I’ll look.
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o u re here

i wait a little bit more then
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i ll take u then ac bit, and 2 subs
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trulpen @Amon-Sul
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I think there are only one rational choice here.
1. dmg ac
2. 2 subs
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my point exactly
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2 more shots from bombers for U to take
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luck finally visits USA navy
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trulpen @Amon-Sul
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1. 1 sub
2. 1 des
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trulpen @Amon-Sul
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That’s like 2 more hits than probability.
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trulpen @trulpen
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It all depends on the defense now.
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Amon-Sul
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yep

and yep

it was 20 , 20 fire power for both of us

3.3 on average for both
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u cant take a sub and des since my bombers cant hit urs subs ( i dont have a destroyer)

sub can not be taken as casualty

so destroyer and?
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trulpen @Amon-Sul
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Then obviously the ac.
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@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Then obviously the ac.

i like to ask since its sensitive issue.

ok
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trulpen @trulpen
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Sorry for my miscalc.
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np :) hehe
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 8 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Burma 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Shensi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Burma 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Shensi 2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Philippines to 42 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 34 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 34 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 46 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 46 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 46 Sea Zone Japanese win with 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in Burma Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Burma, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma Japanese win, taking Burma from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from ANZAC with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. 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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 20
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 19
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 19 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Eastern India to 43 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone Combat - ANZAC Battle in 43 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Japanese defend with 1 submarine ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 43 Sea Zone ANZAC win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 fighters moved from 43 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 55 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 56 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 64 Sea Zone 1 artillery placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 13 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs Purchase Units - French French buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - French Place Units - French 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in France 2 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux Turn Complete - French French collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
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Japanese regular : -0.17 ANZAC regular : -0.33
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 12 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone ANZAC take 43 Sea Zone from Japanese Combat - ANZAC Battle in 38 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 38 Sea Zone ANZAC win, taking 38 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Battle in Java Non Combat Move - ANZAC 2 submarines moved from 64 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 fighter moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 82 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Vyborg to Norway Place Units - ANZAC 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 64 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Norway Turn Complete - French
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Territory Summary for ANZAC and French :
Norway : 3 fighters United Kingdom : 2 infantry New South Wales : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 harbour New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour 38 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer 64 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport Java : 1 flag, 1 infantry 43 Sea Zone : 1 flag 83 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 infantry Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag 59 Sea Zone : 1 transport 55 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 3 fighters and 3 submarines
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Germans : 33 / 42 Russians : 47 / 64 Japanese : 66 / 87 Americans : 54 / 35 Chinese : 8 / 8 British : 35 / 34 UK_Pacific : 0 / 0 Italians : 21 / 34 ANZAC : 13 / 19 French : 1 / 0 Dutch : 0 / 0 Mongolians : 0 / 0 Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0 Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0 Neutral_True : 20 / 0
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