Suggestions for Germany?

[Bardoly]

@Driel310:

I think John said: Germany has almost all his NO’s. The Karelia / Cauc one is the hardest to get naturally. But still with the other two NO’s Germany will cash 40-50.

Why would you need an air force to fend off UK? Are you going to attack the UK/US fleet in the Atlantic?  :?

As for the tech part, I agree, Germany can spend a buck there.  :wink:

In almost all of the games that my group has played, Germany puts pressure on England’s Atlantic fleet so as to be able to leave France less defended.  Many times, France has been empty of defenders because England has no transports, and the US is busy in the Pacific.  With this strategy, the German Air force (and sometimes Subs) usually goes after the UK’s transport fleet, but that frees up the land forces to go toward Russia.  Later, if UK’s fleet gets too big, then Italy can supplement France’s defences by walking Infantry units over there.  My group may play differently than others, because the US usually spends much much more in the Pacific than in the Atlantic.

[Cowboybob]

@JohnBarbarossa:

@Imperious:

I would never consider a factory in france until many more bombers appeared. What is the point of building bombers if the allies dont build any? in 41 you especially don’t do this because you play first and you just messed your position up by making a factory if the allies don’t build bombers. And to play the contrarians position in this i don’t believe by building a factory you prevent allied bombers, because you can always buy it the next turn if they go with bombers.

Wellwithout any IC in France, Russia outproduces Germany with 12 to 10 (assuming no IC’s lost). Furthermore in the 41 scenario you can easily get most of your NO’s which gives you a income ranging from 40-50 (including some gains in Africa). How can you efficiently buy units with only 10 production capacity available? And don’t answer all tanks, because that wouldn’t work in the long run imo.

Well when playing Germaney you start off with much more tanks,art,and a nice airforce.if you do what i do and make a two pronged attack in the east haveing fources take the Baltic States and Ukrain on turn 1,this will almost force the Russians to split what they make turn one haveing half go Karilia other Caucauses.this will make it easy for the Germans to take Karilia with it’s air power behind them giving them a free IC in the east and giveing them 15IPC’s to use on turn 1 they wouldent have if they buy a IC in France.

[General Di Caro]

I have found that Germany cannot take both Leningrad and Stalingrad simultaneously.  Not enough units at the front to sustain the attack, even in 1941 scenario.  The front units get so far ahead of your purchased units a coordinated attack is difficult.

Also, Germany needs to delegate fighters and subs (if you can afford them) to the Atlantic or you’ll be harrassed by Britain the entire game.  If UK buys 5 destroyers turn one, the Battle for the Atlantic will soon be over anyway.

So I think defeating the USSR as fast as possible is the only way for Germany to win.  All Germany and Italian land units should be pushed East.  If Italy maintains one of its National Advantages it can receive 15 IPCs per turn for three tanks.  I have been buying combinations of tanks and infantry with Germany.

I have won three games out of three using the Axis.

[Cowboybob]

@JohnBarbarossa:

@Imperious:

I would never consider a factory in france until many more bombers appeared. What is the point of building bombers if the allies dont build any? in 41 you especially don’t do this because you play first and you just messed your position up by making a factory if the allies don’t build bombers. And to play the contrarians position in this i don’t believe by building a factory you prevent allied bombers, because you can always buy it the next turn if they go with bombers.

Well without any IC in France, Russia outproduces Germany with 12 to 10 (assuming no IC’s lost). Furthermore in the 41 scenario you can easily get most of your NO’s which gives you a income ranging from 40-50 (including some gains in Africa). How can you efficiently buy units with only 10 production capacity available? And don’t answer all tanks, because that wouldn’t work in the long run imo.

To answer this I would make my two pronged attack i described in a later post….You presure Karilia and Caucauses,the red player will have to chose save Leningrad or Stalingrad.He will then most likely do every thing possable to save Stalingrad because of it’s value of 4 vs 2 in Leningrad.This will allow the Germans to use the 15 IPC’s he would have spent on one in France for more infintry to protect France and NW Europe.The IC in Karilia will allow the Germans to produce Bombers to be used to strat bomb Moscow.In short in my own hummble opinion gettlemen,Germany building an IC in France is one of the most folly ideas i have ever heard.

[Cowboybob]

@General:

I have found that Germany cannot take both Leningrad and Stalingrad simultaneously.  Not enough units at the front to sustain the attack, even in 1941 scenario.  The front units get so far ahead of your purchased units a coordinated attack is difficult.

Also, Germany needs to delegate fighters and subs (if you can afford them) to the Atlantic or you’ll be harrassed by Britain the entire game.  If UK buys 5 destroyers turn one, the Battle for the Atlantic will soon be over anyway.

So I think defeating the USSR as fast as possible is the only way for Germany to win.  All Germany and Italian land units should be pushed East.  If Italy maintains one of its National Advantages it can receive 15 IPCs per turn for three tanks.  I have been buying combinations of tanks and infantry with Germany.

I have won three games out of three using the Axis.

What you have found and what i have done are two separate points.

And i agree with you tat Germaney needs to be some what active in the North Atlantic,useing the German wolfpack and the Cruiser along with some airsupport can destroy it turn one.

After that basically all of the Luftwaffe would have to head East and support the pronged attack.

[WOPR]

@General:

If UK buys 5 destroyers turn one, the Battle for the Atlantic will soon be over anyway.

So will the war for Africa, Asia and probably the world. I think that would be a really bad buy for UK.

@General:

So I think defeating the USSR as fast as possible is the only way for Germany to win.

I think there are several ways to win for both sides.

[Flying Tiger]

My suggestion would be a German Turtle. Then wait as Japan exceeds 60+ ipcs and rescues you. I’m 67-0 using this tactic. Ok, I’m not 67-0, but I will be……KGIF is predictable.

Build as many infantry and fighters as you can. By turn 4 you’ve got a large air force. Now sink the weakest allied naval positions.

[Cowboybob]

@jeffdestroyer:

The cost of INF is not the problem, its is the factory space. 
If Germany has 45-50 ipc, then 10 inf is only 30. 
Germany needs INF but it does not have enough factory space to place Inf  as well as other units even though it has more ipc’s in AA50
A second factory would allow more inf onto the battlefield in succeeding rounds. 
Maybe a Poland factory instead of France?

For Germany to build an Ic i think is foolish.And Building one in Poland is not the best idea to put is politely.
I guess im thining more like a pirate becuase i alwase want to take one of the Russian IC,preferably the Caucauses.If Germany built one and something goes wrong and the Red army starts to puch the Germans west,then the reds will use the Ic in Poland if she was to build it.(she being Germany) and thats never a good thing.

[jeffdestroyer]

If Germany is trading Poland as a dead zone, they are in trouble whether are not an IC is located there.
It is about logistics and getting INF to the front.

[Cowboybob]

@jeffdestroyer:

If Germany is trading Poland as a dead zone, they are in trouble whether are not an IC is located there.
It is about logistics and getting INF to the front.

What do you mean by “Dead zone”?

[Imperious Leader]

I have found that Germany cannot take both Leningrad and Stalingrad simultaneously.

This is a huge mistake. You cant even take Karelia before turn 2, Caucasus is done on turn 4 and Moscow on 5-6.

Doing to much removes your infantry fodder and you need to just kill the big stack with tanks in E Poland and even just perform some strafing attacks… as long as as many Soviets die as they build. Your tanks are killing where he is weakest.

Then when you take Caucasus japan needs to land her 5 fighters from FIC in it to protect from Moscow counter attack. After that your home free. Italy can also support you, but all this must be coordinated effort or you lose the game.

[jeffdestroyer]

@Cowboybob:

@jeffdestroyer:

If Germany is trading Poland as a dead zone, they are in trouble whether are not an IC is located there.
It is about logistics and getting INF to the front.

What do you mean by “Dead zone”?

I mean that each nation keeps trading a territory on its turn, thus not holding it.