Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?

[matttodd1]

Re: Can air units fly over strict neutrals

I’ve got a question, similar to, but slightly different than the thread linked above.

For example, if I’m attacking Turkey (strict neutral) with ground units, can I also fly an air unit over Turkey (route is shorter) in the same combat move, for another attack? This would be regardless of the outcome of the attack on Turkey.

I don’t see anything in the Europe rulebook,
and all I see in the Pacific rulebook states “Air units can’t fly over a neutral unless they are attacking it”. What if the country is attacking that neutral (Turkey), but that particular plane is not designated as part of that particular attack - that particular plane is wanting to fly over Turkey, to participate in an attack on Iraq.

Matt

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@matttodd1
Hi Matt
hmm…I was gonna say no but your quote sure seems as if you can. Lets ask @Panther

Love the Iraq angle btw :)

[Panther]

@matttodd1
According to the Europe1940.2 rulebook (page 11)
“Strict neutrals are treated in exactly the same way as unfriendly neutrals, …”

And in that section we have: “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral
unless they are attacking it.”

All combat movement is considered to take place at the same time.
So “a particular plane” cannot fly over Turkey to attack Iraq.
The above (second) quote does not refer to an attacking power but to the air unit itself.

So in your case every air unit needs to attack Turkey to be allowed to fly over Turkey.

[matttodd1]

@Panther Thanks Panther!

[Panther]

@matttodd1 You are welcome…
and welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

[matttodd1]

@Panther follow up question, and I think I already know the answer, but would like to confirm.

If Turkey was attacked previously by Germany (failed takeover - units remain), so it is now pro-allied, can the Italians fly over Turkey, to get to Iraq?

It seems probably no, based on your quote above, that you cannot fly over unfriendly neutrals.

Matt

[Panther]

@matttodd1 said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

If Turkey was attacked previously by Germany (failed takeover - units remain), so it is now pro-allied, can the Italians fly over Turkey, to get to Iraq?
It seems probably no, based on your quote above, that you cannot fly over unfriendly neutrals.

The German attack on Turkey failed. But by the German attack Turkey (treated as unfriendly neutral) joins the Allies. As the attack failed, the territory remains uncontrolled but is considered friendly to powers on the side it’s now allied with.

So Italy can fly over Turkey, as it is now a territory hostile to Italy.

[matttodd1]

@Panther thanks again!

[General 6 Stars]

@Panther said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

@matttodd1 said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

If Turkey was attacked previously by Germany (failed takeover - units remain), so it is now pro-allied, can the Italians fly over Turkey, to get to Iraq?
It seems probably no, based on your quote above, that you cannot fly over unfriendly neutrals.

Ya but that should be changed. It’s not a neutral technically. It’s an allies controlled territory. If it has an aa gun which it should on setup anyway gets to shot at enemy planes. Just sayin

[Panther]

@SS-GEN said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

@Panther said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

@matttodd1 said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

If Turkey was attacked previously by Germany (failed takeover - units remain), so it is now pro-allied, can the Italians fly over Turkey, to get to Iraq?
It seems probably no, based on your quote above, that you cannot fly over unfriendly neutrals.

Ya but that should be changed. It’s not a neutral technically. It’s an allies controlled territory. If it has an aa gun which it should on setup anyway gets to shot at enemy planes. Just sayin

No, it is not yet allied controlled. It is friendly to the Allies but an Allied power still has to take control by moving a land unit into it during noncombat move phase in order to take control.

[General 6 Stars]

@Panther
Ok. Forgot it had to be activated in this game.
Still don’t agree. Not a strict neutral now.
Ha how’s this give the other side an option to not control it so it stays strict neutral and can’t fly over it. But only if u have a rule saying can fly over pro neutrals not activated. Lol. I’ll stop

[Panther]

@SS-GEN Never mind. I am just strictly pointing out the rules as I want to avoid confusion in a forum category that is dedicated to G40 OOB.

[General 6 Stars]

@Panther said in Can air units fly over a strict neutral, if other units are also attacking that neutral?:

@SS-GEN Never mind. I am just strictly pointing out the rules as I want to avoid confusion in a forum category that is dedicated to G40 OOB.

Ya I know. I went off topic. Sorry my bad.

[matttodd1]

@Panther Thanks Panther for this edit and clarification!

Matt