@Jermofoot:
@Amon:
As for communism and Jesus comparison… altough i understand by communism here you were wanted to say Socialism. Any comparison beetwen Communism and Christianity is disgusting. If we cant agree how much Christianity is good in its nature and how much it did and how much it means for the people, at least we can agree that Christianity is someething good and communism something worst the world has ever seen. Comm.left 100 million people dead, left people raped, tortured, and wanted to become the world global ideology, destroying any religion, freedom of thought and basic human rights… Communism is the shitest ideology ever seen so far in its destructing power
I would argue that Christianity has had a much larger negative impact than Communism just by its longer existence.
i think this statement is really dangerous since communism ˝death˝ legacy cannot even be compared with the bad things done by the christian people
but i have to say i more-less agree with what you said in this last post of yours. But i must say something concering this issue
if we put asside the number of victims of certain idelogies religions and movements left we come to the core…how were they created and what for?What were the goals of the founder? That is crucial.
See in the recent War in Balkans ( Bosnian War) there were such crimes being done that it is hard to read even to read about them. The Serbian Četnik soldiers which captivated muslim women were constantly raping them and saying them that now they will be giving birth to christian children( The Serbs are Orthodox=Christian)
this is just a note of series of brutal examples about some people which abuse, abuse is to light which perverse their own religion. This men had nothing with Christianity nor with Jesus when they were doing this horible deeds! Just as if some muslim comes to a market full of women and children and blasts everything up with bombs is everthing but not a true muslim. True adherent of muslim could never done such an act. Even if he would then ˝he stops being˝
So the thing is that we need to look upon the core concept of the religion/ideology, even state. That is crucial. People can astray, people can fall, so terribly, but if this concept that they were ought to follow is good-and they seek to live it eventually (some) of them will change. And the concept will survive…
But i must agree with you. Persons who follow some ideologies( especially religions-priest) deeds are far more condemned than those of ˝ordinary people˝ since in some way whatever they do they represent their community and thus from that the community ˝takes˝ some credits and critics of those actions.
the good example is pedofilia. If a man is a pedofil its horrible. If a priest is. ITs 10 times worse. Why? Beacuse people expect (more) moral from the person which preeches about it every day. I do not say that people who are irreligious are immoral. But its a fact that people react much loudly when a prominent religious person does some bad deed, comparing to an ˝ordinary person˝
so just to finish…the thing is we have to look at the core-what is the concept of the movement in itself…
communism-hatred
nacism-hatred
fascism-hatred
ku kux klan-hatred
christiany-love, forgiviing, coexistence
islam-goodness-coexistence
judaism, budism…coexistence
Crusades is another issue, not so simple. But one fact is simple. The muslims attacked the countries of Levant. Destroying christian sites and killing christian pilgrims. So far more than political it was a ˝religious right conflict˝ . I must say it was lot of bad deeds done by the crusaders( the destruction of town of Zadar for example-its in my country) the killings of many innocent people…but in the core concept the action of defending the holy places and the pilgrims/attacking the muslims was legitimate
and forced conversions, Inquisition, withches burned is a tragedy of immense dimensions. As a christian and a catholic i am ashame of it. I am content that Pope John Paul II kneel and ask forgiveness for this and all other evil deeds done by christian(catholic) clergy and layman during last 2000 years. For that we thank him!
