@Gargantua lol, love the smack talk. Bring it on đŹ
Haha well boys I tried, but they are âfull upâ at the moment, and thatâs from the man at the top!
The game is buggy. Lots of Java script errors that freeze the game up, whereas you need to restart. I was hoping the bugs would be worked out BEFORE releasing the productâŚ
@Imperious-Leader said in I'm enjoying Axis & Allies Online:
The game is buggy. Lots of Java script errors that freeze the game up, whereas you need to restart. I was hoping the bugs would be worked out BEFORE releasing the productâŚ
This was announced as an âearly releaseâ. Sometimes, âearly releaseâ == âbeta testerâ. My advice: submit bugs as you find them, so that Beamdog can fix themâŚ
-Midnight_Reaper
Yes, please submit all the bugs you experience and feature requests at https://beamdog.atlassian.net/servicedesk/customer/portal/3
I donât do unpaid âhomeworkâ for companyâs that should have hired sufficient beta testers to proof their product.In any case, the game has the following flaws:
@Imperious-Leader Thanks for the feedback. We launched the game into Early Access so that we could create a game players want based on their feedback. It canât be done without reports and feedback like yours. We donât demand from anyone to be a âbeta-testerâ - even the smallest feedback can greatly help us.
Anyway, here is what our development team has to say about your concerns:
We have a few tracks, but possibly not as much variety as may be desired over time.
Technology and new unit types arenât faithful to this ruleset (1942, 2nd Ed). We may be able to look at other boxsets in the future. In terms of timer, weâre aware of requests for customizable timeouts, which may help address this concern.
This is temporary. We will address a map that lines up appropriately but wasnât achievable in the timeframe/with the resources we had.
We have changes planned for our movement system, which may make it easier to assign bombers to raids vs an attack.
We currently donât allow players to choose movement paths (except for blitzing tanks and transports), but have a feature request logged to address this.
We can log this as a feature request, as weâve heard this from other fronts as well.
Weâre not really sure that this is the best solution for the desired outcome (more competitive AI), but it could be logged as a feature request if you feel strongly enough about it. Please, log it at https://beamdog.atlassian.net/servicedesk/customer/portal/3
We have plans to add in a chat to the pre-game lobby, but this will be a little while coming.
@Imperious-Leader said in I'm enjoying Axis & Allies Online:
- The Multiplayer rooms on steam need to have a space where players can state: The time the game starts and other info and not allow one player to have 15 rooms all with the same steam name. Either your playing here or there, not everywhere. Its not a Poker room.
Not sure if this is directed at me (Iâm currently trying to join like 15 games. None of them are mine btw), but I wouldnât have to try joining so many games if they would actually start. Maybe a feature to automatically cancel games that havenât started within a reasonable amount of time instead of forcing games to be played in real-time (which is what I assume you want).
@djensen Iâm curious how the game in its current state compares to the pre-release version you tested? Like what stuff was changed or which features are there now that werenât then? There were a couple months between your initial post here and the early access drop on Steam, so that might give us some kind of realistic estimate about what kind up updates we might expect in a 1-3 month timeframe. Thus far weâve only seen hotfixes, but its only been out a few weeks so maybe there is more stuff coming down the pipeline.
Right now the gripes can probabaly be grouped into 3 main categories.
The third group will be hard to accomodate short of some kind of re-release of the Classic game or expansions for some other gamemaps. I gotta say that one we could probably have seen coming a mile off just from the choice of board to translate digitally. The second group is kind of on Beamdog, whether they decide to put out a version geared more towards live play or traditional PBEM. The first group I think should be the priority right now for having their concerns addressed. Iâm just wondering how much we can expect to see on that front, based on what was added from the preview state to the early access?
I kind of wish they had offered a closed or invite only Beta before early access to some of the people who post regularly in the 1942 sec ed section, since I think many here could have anticipated some of these issues in advance, and might have helped to shore it up before going public. But it is what it is.
As things stand currently I imagine some pretty signficant re-designs will be needed to get it into the state that many people are hoping for. My fear is another GTO type scenario, where the game just canât accomodate the level of competative online play that many here have come to expect. We need a critical mass of skilled players coming over from TripleA or returning from Iron Blitz so we can hold more exciting tournaments and the like. But this is already an uphill battle because of the choice of 1942.2. Most tripleA players would probably want Global or AA50, most Iron Blitz players would probably want Classic 3rd Edition. So A&A online needs to be really slick and offer something more/better than what Hasbro gave us 20 years ago and something that just looks a lot nicer and feels cleaner than tripleA to get a lot of those people really pumped for 1942.2
Ps. Also I gotta say, this sub-forum feels really burried.
As the newest title with plugs and articles featured on the home page, I feel like 1942 Online should have its own highlighted discussion section a little higher up on the list.
There are many forums for older boards that are fairly innactive but which are still taking up the prime real estate. This version makes changes to some key rules so Iâm not sure it makes sense to discuss this game in the current 1942 sec edition forums, though maybe as a sub forum there? I know these boards are focused more on the physical gameboards, but since this one is an official product I think it makes sense to give it a bit of a bump.
Right now there are a lot of disperate discussions going on at the Steam Forums, but that place is an organizational mess. Itâd be nice to pull some of that traffic here, since I think many A&A 1942 Online users would find this place a more useful resource for general Axis and Allies Q&A and a better place to have fruitful discussions all around. But currently this section just feels hidden even to those who know it exists.
The Play Online section is probably the most active of all the forums on this site. It updates like every couple minutes because of PBF games, but that also makes it harder to see when new discussions or threads are being replied to in the other sub forums like this one.
@Black_Elk I donât think Beamdog is shooting for capturing the hearts and minds of the competitive crowd, though. TripleA already sort of has the market cornered on that thanks to having almost every map (Please give me a 1914 map, Iâm begging you) in the franchise available + Play-by-Forum integration with this website. Canât really beat that, especially when you have a battle Calc packaged with the game.
I think theyâre going for a more casual audience, hence the focus on style (UI, asynchronous play, WW2-aesthetic art, etc.) over substance (multiple maps available, ranked ladder, competent AI, etc.). Still not an excuse for having multiple maps available to play on. Iâm surprised WotC/Hasbro arenât gunning for more maps to be added (even something scummy like 99 cent DLC for maps or whatever), since I doubt theyâre selling new copies of the older games these days.
yea not sure their plan but that makes sense. One thing itâll do is reach more people that arenât aware of A&A.org and triplea. They seem as if they got a good group of people. Always important. Hope it works well for everyone.
This is in the pipeline. still a ways off.
https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/1063/power-of-politics-1914-a-wwi-scenario
I think the quickest fix would be the adoption of an editor.
The most basic edits:
Revert to Previous Phase
Add/Remove unit
Change IPCs
Change Territory ownership
If the user could do that, I think it would be a very popular platform for casual play while still being able to accommodate competitive play. Because at least then we could fix errors in friendly matches, while also being able to hold tournaments with standard pre-placement bids or the Larry patch. I think the casual audience would like those features too. Gives players control over the digital gameboard like they have over the physical one to take units or roundels out the tray, and make corrections when stuff goes awry. Its probably even more important for that than in allowing for the kind of stuff that happens in tournaments and such, but the later would be a big bonus.
Some of these features were on Iron Blitz, which offers basic editing of unit costs, which along my suggestion an additional range of units could be offered:
Heavy tanks, Volkstrum/Conscripts, Mechanized, Fighter Bombers, Jet bombers, etc
'And Tech upgrades if that option was toggled on
Another bummer is constantly clicking to roll, the option should be to toggle only results at end of each combat round. We donât need to see the stupid dice roll, and BTW i donât believe the randomness of these rolls. Their seems to be some tit for tat thingy going on, where if one side is doing poorly, the other side is too. Option for Low Luck might be possible, but somethings wrong in this department.
The product should not have been released before more play-testing, you stalled the success of the game when you just throw it up in the air and let buyers complain. Just give them nothing to complain about.
Well Iâll say this much for it, probably more boxed 1942.2 set up games have been played in the past 2-3 weeks than have been played in a couple years. But Iâm concerned that it will rapidly advance to the point where the general concensus of Axis advantage is reached once again, (even with some of the rules changes they made to make it more like AAZ and with the defense profile thing) and there isnât anything in place to go to the next phase of the rehash, which would be the standard preplacement bid and the Larry patch. Basic editor would get you there at least.
The click click is a big issue for me, the whole movement and combat UI just feels cumbersome and inelegant right now and really in need of a clean up/speed up. I tried to send some suggestions to the feedback link and on steam forums, but in general just wish that was a lot smoother.
Other things I feel beyond a basic capability to swap out the digital sculpts or change control markers and the like, would be some basic aesthetic customization. Map scale, unit/font scale, also Map or Unit themes (alternative colors or textures), things that people can use to customize to their tastes or for things like r/g colorblind. Alternative icons or textures would Iâm sure be a little more challenging art asset intensive, but least basic colors/light dark. Like why not make it so you can have Classic colors, or Revised colors, or Modern Topographical, or with all the colors of the old sculpts, like lime green UK or Black Germany, Red Japan or whatever? Would be cool if it could just bundle the basic boxes and offer some more choices there. I also think looking backward could be cool, if borrowing from AAZ maybe also bring in something from one of the older rulesets. Another thing that I donât dig is that we canât close off sz16 as a standard option, even though thatâs in the manual. Sz16 closed is probably to the Allies advantage in the opening rounds, so that would help.
Right too much âclick-clickâ its terrible. The icons of units could change automatically if you change the unit values. I know its not 1942.2, but it would bring value to the game since its very basic anyway and needs some âwindow dressingâ
@Imperious-Leader âhireâ game testers? new to the industry?
Why would you want to waste time on the AI when no-one will play in that mode when live players are available.
While Tripple A has all the maps, its crude. Itâs impossible to see what youâve moved, the piece icons and layout are incomprehesible, you canât reverse without looking through the log, play a PBEM game without forum moderation, and especially obnoxious how it treats loading transportsâŚI cannot figure out when my units are loaded and when they are correctly set up or not.
This game does all that well, whereas in Tripple A, its barely possible for me to start a live game
I believe the transport loading/unloading issue you are referencing has been fixed as of the last pre-release. TripleA doesnât put out new stable releases very often, but Iâm always pretty impressed with how much gets added each time they come out.
For my part I find the beamdog UI for movement very hard to parse. I set up 4 screenshots in discord showing Beamdog compared to Iron Blitz GTO and TripleA.
HASBRO
TRIPLEA
GTO
BEAMDOG
Iron Blitz and Beamdog both have all movements of a given phase displayed visually on the map with curved arrow lines, and rely on clicking of individual units to undo move. GTO and TripleA show arrows only for the current move, with previous moves made during the phase recorded in a sibebar list, with the undo move from there as well as right click option.
Iron Blitz, GTO and TripleA all indicate combat/non com moves by actually moving those units into the territory or sz they are entering. Beamdogs is the only one that hovers along the border (which I think can add to visual confusion.)
Iron Blitz, GTO and TripleA also show all units in a stack including Transports. Beamdog has each transport separate, which I think adds to clutter and crowding misclicks.
Anyhow just thought some side by side screens might help for the discussion.
Today I watched a game-play introduction by âThe Historical Gamerâ on YouTube, but I havenât played the game personally yet.
In the video I was struck by how many prompts the player encountered during combat - why all the clicking? When Iâm playing TripleA, I have the speed set to the fastest possible⌠and not only does the dice animation take forever in this game⌠but the constant mouse clicking during combat makes the combat phase long and tedious.
I liked the visuals that I saw however, it has a much nicer polish than Triple A.
@Black_Elk Fair enough, I suppose that it comes down to personal preference. Canât get any of my friends to play any e-edition in any eventâŚand prefer live play anyways.
