I get the feeling that they have really hurt the Axis through all the changes they have made.
Concerning the map, sure yes. But consider the turn sequence. Axis is always first. As Japan is (most likely) before UK in both scenarios, their units have much more impact and second: they have tons of naval units and 9 fighters in the 1941 scenario! I.e. you can balance everything by just adding enough (extra) units!
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
If estimates pan out, there will be a 29 IPC gap between Allies and Axis. To me it looks like its going back to the original A&A when Axis was so underpowered that it rarely won.
The Allies always have more IPC’s then the Axis. In revised Germany is the second largest IPC country and Japan is tied for third with the UK. So as far as the Axis being at a loss is normal.
Also since most of the time we play 1 vs. 1 I think I will use Italy as a homeland security force to defend W Europe from a foothold invasion. Then Germany can focus on the Russia and / or Africa.
LT
@LT04:
The Allies always have more IPC’s then the Axis. In revised Germany is the second largest IPC country and Japan is tied for third with the UK. So as far as the Axis being at a loss is normal.
Axis were underpowered in both Classic and Revised. They became more balanced with Revised and it should have become even more balanced with the new one, but they seem to be becoming more underpowered.
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
Not just a transport fleet, but it needs enough security for these transports - DD, CR, SS
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
Not just a transport fleet, but it needs enough security for these transports - DD, CR, SS
In revised you could mass Germany’s Air Force in W Europe. They would be posed like a wagon wheel. The German Air Force was at the center and the UK navy would have to move all the way around it.
That would always make the Allies extra careful.
@Flying:
@Imperious:
SBR is gonna be fun and most likely they use the CAP rules from AAP and the fighter escort rules from AAE.
Airpower is gonna be really critical.
I really hated escorts, with that rule I just don’t see any advantage to bomb the IC. It’s like trying to have sex with a meat grinder.
Italy really, really should have been light gray.
Axis will be real hard to play. Can’t wait though.
All axis and all allied turn with blockhouses to deter DDay too soon will be tried in my lab.
I’m not familiar with this rule - can someone explain for me?
Thanks.
What rule:
CAP rule from AAP
or
Blockhouse rule from AA D-Day
The CAP rule. I’m not familiar with ‘escorts’ for SBR.
Thanks.
CAP stands for Civil Air Patrol (If I remember correctly) FTR’s still only have a limit of 4 spaces but I think this rule let them “patrol” empty SZ’s without a carrier.
Basicly they can be placed on SZ’s on the non-combat phase without needing to land on a carrier.
I don’t know if they could move 4 spaces out on say US1 and then move back 4 spaces on US2 or if they had to move 2 and 2.
I think that’s how it went but you may want to double check.
LT
@LT04:
CAP stands for Civil Air Patrol (If I remember correctly) FTR’s still only have a limit of 4 spaces but I think this rule let them “patrol” empty SZ’s without a carrier.
Basicly they can be placed on SZ’s on the non-combat phase without needing to land on a carrier.
I don’t know if they could move 4 spaces out on say US1 and then move back 4 spaces on US2 or if they had to move 2 and 2.
I think that’s how it went but you may want to double check.
LT
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
The Escort rule allows to defend from a SBR using fighters in the territory to intercep the incoming bombers. At same time the attacker may send units to escort the bomber in order to fend off the screen of the defending fighters.
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
That’s right Civil Air Patrol are those ROTC wanna-be’s the US Air Force has. They are like glorified boy scouts… Well realistically they are more like explorer scouts.
LT
Yup, CAP allowed fighters to chill in sea zones adjacent to islands, in case any baddies popped up.
The only thing that looks good for the Axis is the Japanese fleet. However, from the looks of it, the game is very ally-favored. All of them were, but in Revised, the bid for Axis was 4-8 IPC it seemed. In Classic, wasn’t it like 15-20? I can see bids being quite high in this game, and all of it going to Italy :wink:
@Rakeman:
Yup, CAP allowed fighters to chill in sea zones adjacent to islands, in case any baddies popped up.
The only thing that looks good for the Axis is the Japanese fleet. However, from the looks of it, the game is very ally-favored. All of them were, but in Revised, the bid for Axis was 4-8 IPC it seemed. In Classic, wasn’t it like 15-20? I can see bids being quite high in this game, and all of it going to Italy :wink:
Yeah that would make sence. In revised normally bid units went to Africa. Italy is along those lines of play.
LT
@Craig:
@LT04:
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
That’s right Civil Air Patrol are those ROTC wanna-be’s the US Air Force has. They are like glorified boy scouts… Well realistically they are more like explorer scouts.
LT
Civil Air Patrol is not an actual part of the Air Force ROTC program, but there is some affiliation:
CAP as part of A&A vernacular is Combat Air Patrol.
What actually applies to this discussion- SBRs- is the Escort and Interception Rules from AAP and AAE. I don’t think that they have been included in the Anniversary Edition.
Craig
CAP is not only A&A vernacular, is a term usually used in naval aircraft for indicating the fighters used to patrol on the fleet to intercept the enemy.
I think that having the escort rule may be interesting.
I personally think Germany needs to be at least 35 IPCs and Japan needs bumped up to 35 as well. Though I would like to see Germany keep its 40 IPCs and simply count Italy as extra. I would have originally liked Italy to be 15-16 IPCs, but that isn’t happening from the looks of it.
Italy should go towards balancing the sides instead of just hurting the Axis. For example, why doesn’t Italy have a transport? Also, why aren’t most of those units in Africa Italy’s?
Where is Italy going to get any more IPCs to fix the fact that they are gimped at 10 IPCs? There is going to be a very long delay in the capture of Africa simply because it will take a turn for Italy to build a transport and another to ship over anything to begin taking provinces. What bright mind thought of this setup?
I hope a company produces silicone friction stickers (they don’t really stick and don’t leave residue) that would allow us to put them on the board to change values of provinces and even add provinces (such as Sicily). It would go a long way in letting us customize the game.
For example, why doesn’t Italy have a transport?
I think it was determined that Italy DOES have a transport. I think it was mistakenly considered a destroyer, but it is actually a tranny.
Therefore, Italy starts the game with a BB, 2 CR, and a TRN.
Thanks.
yes correct its a transport!
@Craig:
@LT04:
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
That’s right Civil Air Patrol are those ROTC wanna-be’s the US Air Force has. They are like glorified boy scouts… Well realistically they are more like explorer scouts.
LT
Civil Air Patrol is not an actual part of the Air Force ROTC program, but there is some affiliation:
CAP as part of A&A vernacular is Combat Air Patrol.
What actually applies to this discussion- SBRs- is the Escort and Interception Rules from AAP and AAE. I don’t think that they have been included in the Anniversary Edition.
Craig
That’s why I called the CAP’s ROTC wanna be’s.
LT
Looks like all the Chinese territories are worth 1 ipc apiece. This is different than AAP where there were only a couple territories worth anything. I guess this will boost the weak economy of Japan. It won’t be a complete waste of time to swat the Chinese off their back. All this income is going to the USA at the start or what?
Another thing I noticed was that Africa didn’t change. I think i see 1 new territory in Egypt. I was hoping for a few more to simulate the vastness of the continent and make a few of them worth 0 ipcs to also simulate how undeveloped it is. Still seems a little to easy to get to S. Africa
I said this before, alot of people look at the setup and it seems the Axis is screwed. Old germany divided in half, unable to use the full force of a 40 ipc economy that is now down to 30. But we have to remember The (smart)USA player will not be playing a KGF ever again with the new VCs in Pacific. I wish we knew exact IPC value of each country. USA and UK is unclear from what I have read.
