A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Italy Sneaks Germans In??
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I was playing on Triple A tonight and my opponent declared war with Italy, on Russia, (on Italy 2) and attacked Bessarabia and E Poland. (each territory with one Italian tank; they were empty.) However, Germany had not declared war on Russia yet.
The next turn on G3, Germany swarmed those two territories without declaring war on Russia (to snag the $5 N.O. among other reasons).
Is that legal? The Triple A game allowed it while allowing Russia the option of declaring war on Germany even if Germany didn’t declare.
TY
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yes thats a cheeky common strat.
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@Kardak said in Italy Sneaks Germans In??:
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Is that legal? The Triple A game allowed it while allowing Russia the option of declaring war on Germany even if Germany didn’t declare.Once Italy captures those Russian territories, these territories become Italian and thus are friendly to the German troops.
And Russia may declare war on Germany at that point. From the Rulebook, Europe 1940.2, page 36:
The Soviet Union may not declare war on any European Axis power before turn 4 unless first declared war upon by a European Axis power or London is captured by an Axis power.
In your scenario Italy declared war, removing that restriction for Russia.
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Thanks guys. @Panther thanks for the proof.
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@Kardak You are welcome, and welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:
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Barney please change that in Triple A game your in to Germany cannot receive this 5 Icp NO unless at war with Russia whether Italy is or not.
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@SS-GEN said in Italy Sneaks Germans In??:
Barney please change that in Triple A game your in to Germany cannot receive this 5 Icp NO unless at war with Russia whether Italy is or not.
What are you referring to?
I have understood the given scenario as follows:- Italy declares war on Russia and captures Bessarabia and East Poland
- Germany on its turn moves into these friendly Italian territories, after that it collects the 5 IPC NO for not being at war with Russia still!
- Russia on its turn then declares war on Germany
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I’m saying Germany should not get the 5 Icps. Make Germany have to attack Russia in combat on there next turn so there at war and now Germany can Non combat into those Italian controlled territories. Better yet no can openers by Italy.
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@SS-GEN Ah ok, so you want to house rule that out.
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Ya . Sorry for confusion. Barney been making many changes to TRP A and hes been testing them. Be nice if other guys got on board with him and test his changes anyway.
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@SS-GEN said in Italy Sneaks Germans In??:
Barney please change that in Triple A game your in to Germany cannot receive this 5 Icp NO unless at war with Russia whether Italy is or not.
I’ll make a Map Option next update.
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Perhaps only award the 5IPCs if no German units are in an originally Soviet territory? BM simply bans moving into the Soviet territories if not at war.
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