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Clarification on UK "dual economy"

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Soviet Steamroller
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Hi everyone,
Let say Japan has taken both Calcutta & West India.
What happen if some ally power goes in later and retake West India?

Does that power add West India’s production value (2) to its own since UK Pacific (FEC) lost its capital (does not have an economy)?
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@Soviet-Steamroller Good afternoon. If W India is taken by any allied nation, other than the U.K., then that nation controls it and takes its income of 2 . As soon as India is liberated, it reverts back to the U.K. Pacific economy.
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Witt Mod 2026 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 @Witt
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So you did understand correctly. I should have said: sorry!
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Soviet Steamroller
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Thank you for the quick response.

That is what i thought but not having huge experience under the belt i just wanted to double check here.
Have a good day.
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