Solved: MARTI needs a Certificate Update (was:dice error)

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  • DizzKneeLand33D
    '20 '16 '15 '14

    The 201 now shows in the console properties.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @dawgoneit
    What are you doing?

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33
    Great!

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  • DizzKneeLand33D
    '20 '16 '15 '14

    @Panther well the website said to do the online version, but your advice is clearly better lol. Thanks for the help!

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33
    You’re welcome. :smile:

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  • DizzKneeLand33D
    '20 '16 '15 '14

    @Panther well, I’ve updated to 201, rebooted, it’s in the console, but the same error occurs when rolling the dice.

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  • K
    '19

    same here says 201 in console

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33 @ksmckay

    Can both of you please do this again:
    -Start TripleA
    -Start a Local Game (any will do)
    -When the game has started find the Menu Debug and then click Show Console
    -When the Console has opened, click the button Properties
    -Then click Copy to Clipboard
    -Paste in this thread

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  • K
    '19

    Jan 17, 2019 10:46:10 AM games.strategy.engine.pbem.AbstractForumPoster unprotectCredentials
    SEVERE: failed to unprotect PBF credentials
    games.strategy.security.CredentialManagerException: failed to unprotect credential
    at games.strategy.security.DefaultCredentialManager.unprotect(DefaultCredentialManager.java:232)
    at games.strategy.security.DefaultCredentialManager.unprotectToString(DefaultCredentialManager.java:215)
    at games.strategy.engine.pbem.AbstractForumPoster.unprotectCredentials(AbstractForumPoster.java:87)
    at games.strategy.engine.pbem.AbstractForumPoster.readObject(AbstractForumPoster.java:81)
    at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
    at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(Unknown Source)
    at java.util.HashMap.readObject(Unknown Source)
    at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
    at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(Unknown Source)
    at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(Unknown Source)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel$LocalBeanCache.loadMap(PbemSetupPanel.java:388)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel$LocalBeanCache.<init>(PbemSetupPanel.java:378)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel$LocalBeanCache.<clinit>(PbemSetupPanel.java:370)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel.loadDiceServer(PbemSetupPanel.java:167)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel.loadAll(PbemSetupPanel.java:154)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.PbemSetupPanel.<init>(PbemSetupPanel.java:90)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.mc.SetupPanelModel.showPbem(SetupPanelModel.java:49)
    at games.strategy.engine.framework.startup.ui.MetaSetupPanel.lambda$setupListeners$1(MetaSetupPanel.java:122)
    at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
    at org.pushingpixels.substance.internal.utils.RolloverButtonListener.mouseReleased(RolloverButtonListener.java:126)
    at java.awt.AWTEventMulticaster.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
    at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue.access$500(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(Unknown Source)
    at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
    at java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
    at java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue$4.run(Unknown Source)
    at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
    at java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
    at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)
    Caused by: javax.crypto.BadPaddingException: Given final block not properly padded. Such issues can arise if a bad key is used during decryption.
    at com.sun.crypto.provider.CipherCore.unpad(CipherCore.java:975)
    at com.sun.crypto.provider.CipherCore.fillOutputBuffer(CipherCore.java:1056)
    at com.sun.crypto.provider.CipherCore.doFinal(CipherCore.java:853)
    at com.sun.crypto.provider.AESCipher.engineDoFinal(AESCipher.java:446)
    at javax.crypto.Cipher.doFinal(Cipher.java:2164)
    at games.strategy.security.DefaultCredentialManager.decrypt(DefaultCredentialManager.java:251)
    at games.strategy.security.DefaultCredentialManager.unprotect(DefaultCredentialManager.java:227)
    … 68 more

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  • F
    2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19

    Also receiving marti dice error on all my games for past hour.
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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33 @ksmckay

    I am going to test MARTI myself now…

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    CC @redrum

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • F
    2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19

    I had a marti problem a few weeks ago and Panther had me uninstall the old Java and install updated Java and it worked until this morning. My properties say Java 1.8.0_191

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @FMErwinRommel I see… I am investigating…

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33 @ksmckay @FMErwinRommel @dawgoneit

    I am facing the same errors right now… this must be a general issue.
    I will let the developers know…

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • F
    2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19

    My game properties list both x86 32-bit and 64-bit lines of script. The x86 program files java folder has a sub folder “jre6”.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @DizzKneeLand33 @ksmckay @FMErwinRommel @dawgoneit

    See
    https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/4594

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    It has been confirmed that this is a server issue.

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    @FMErwinRommel said in MARTI needs a Certificate Update (was:dice error):

    My game properties list both x86 32-bit and 64-bit lines of script. The x86 program files java folder has a sub folder “jre6”.

    Unless you don’t need a 32bit java for another 32-bit Application you should remove this very old version. In case you really need 32bit Java I recommend to update it to Java 8 Update 201 32 bit.

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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  • PantherP
    Moderator Official Q&A 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 '12 TripleA

    Update: There is a MARTI server issue right now.

    See:
    https://github.com/triplea-game/triplea/issues/4594

    Don't always trust TripleA when it comes to rules questions. Know the rules before you start … and better check what TripleA has done.

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