New York ‘lone wolf’ was one hour away from finishing his bomb
She also praised the New York Police Department, saying, “I think they handled it well.”
Officials with the NYPD, which conducted the undercover investigation using a confidential informant and a bugged apartment, said the department had to move quickly because Pimentel was about to test a pipe bomb made out of match heads, nails and other ingredients bought at neighborhood hardware and discount stores.
Two law enforcement officials said Monday that the NYPD’s Intelligence Division had sought to get the FBI involved at least twice as the investigation unfolded. Both times, the FBI concluded that Pimentel lacked the mental capacity to act on his own, they said.
The FBI thought Pimentel “didn’t have the predisposition or the ability to do anything on his own,” one of the officials said.
The officials were not authorized to speak about the case and spoke on condition of anonymity. The FBI’s New York office and the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan both declined to comment on Monday.
Pimentel’s lawyer, Joseph Zablocki, said his client was never a true threat.
“If the goal here is to be stopping terror … I’m not sure that this is where we should be spending our resources,” he said.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly defended the handling of the case Monday, saying the NYPD kept federal authorities in the loop “all along” before circumstances forced investigators to take swift measures using state charges.
“No question in my mind that we had to take this case down,” Kelly said. “There was an imminent threat.”
Added Kelly: “This is a classic case of what we’ve been talking about �� the lone wolf, an individual, self-radicalized. This is the needle in the haystack problem we face as a country and as a city.”
Authorities described Pimentel as an unemployed U.S. citizen and “al-Qaida sympathizer” who was born in the Dominican Republic. He had lived most of his life in Manhattan, aside from about five years in the upstate city of Schenectady, where authorities say he had an arrested for credit card fraud.
His mother said he was raised Roman Catholic. But he converted to Islam in 2004 and went by the name Muhammad Yusuf, authorities said.
Using a tip from police in Albany, the NYPD had been watching Pimentel using a confidential informant for the past year. Investigators learned that he was energized and motivated to carry out his plan by the Sept. 30 killing of al-Qaida’s U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, police said.
Pimentel was under constant surveillance as he shopped for the pipe bombmaterials. He also was overheard talking about attacking police patrol cars and postal facilities, killing soldiers returning home from abroad andbombing a police station in Bayonne, N.J., authorizes said.
So I finally saw 'No Country For Old Men'…
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I think you just “elaborated” beyond even the writers intentions with that. My god.
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it represents true nihilsm. nothing matters. fate is the flip of a coin. people are killed or live, and does it really matter which?
and its not about changing times. remember, its about how its always been bad with ruthless people out there and that it always will be.
just my opinion.
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Well what I meant was that it was about Bell’s percieved changing of the times. Like I said, the story about the indians killing the man on his porch discredits Bell’s belief.
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Sorry, Cobert, I should have said inconsistencies instead of plot holes.
For instance, in the book, the girl Lewellyn meets by the pool has a much bigger role. You also know who kills him (hint, it’s not Chigurh). The scene in the office building, there is not a second guy in there…just the guy behind the desk that Anton kills. The street battle involves a lot more people, not just Anton and Lewellyn. And you know exactly what happens with Carla Jean and Anton, and it’s not a decision by Anton (except for allowing her a coin flip).
The fate vs. circumstance thing is played heavily upon by the Coen brothers. I’m not sure Mccarthy was pushing that notion as much in the book, but I know the Coens concentrated on that theme.
Yes, Bell perceives things to be changing. Just like all people say that America is going in the toilet now. People always have said that, and always will. He just realizes that his job isn’t as honorable or good as he thought, and that it will just end up getting him killed. Especially with a unstoppable psychopath like Chigurh. Bell’s good intentions meant nothing when death was around the corner.
And speaking of that, many people have concluded that Chigurh not only represents death, he actually IS death. He’s unstoppable, ruthless, untiring, and always gets his man. Remember how he asks the one guy if he saw him? Or the kids after the accident? Anyone who didn’t “see” him lived. People always see death before they die. Bell never actually saw him, but Lewellyn did.
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Sorry, Cobert, I should have said inconsistencies instead of plot holes.
For instance, in the book, the girl Lewellyn meets by the pool has a much bigger role. You also know who kills him (hint, it’s not Chigurh). The scene in the office building, there is not a second guy in there…just the guy behind the desk that Anton kills. The street battle involves a lot more people, not just Anton and Lewellyn. And you know exactly what happens with Carla Jean and Anton, and it’s not a decision by Anton (except for allowing her a coin flip).
The fate vs. circumstance thing is played heavily upon by the Coen brothers. I’m not sure Mccarthy was pushing that notion as much in the book, but I know the Coens concentrated on that theme.
Yes, Bell perceives things to be changing. Just like all people say that America is going in the toilet now. People always have said that, and always will. He just realizes that his job isn’t as honorable or good as he thought, and that it will just end up getting him killed. Especially with a unstoppable psychopath like Chigurh. Bell’s good intentions meant nothing when death was around the corner.
And speaking of that, many people have concluded that Chigurh not only represents death, he actually IS death. He’s unstoppable, ruthless, untiring, and always gets his man. Remember how he asks the one guy if he saw him? Or the kids after the accident? Anyone who didn’t “see” him lived. People always see death before they die. Bell never actually saw him, but Lewellyn did.
How does the girl play a bigger part in the book? In the movie, her sole purpose seems to be to begin a short bit of dialogue that further explores the fate theme:
“Whatcha looking for?”
“I’m lookin’ for what’s comin’.”
“Well you don’t know what’s comin’.”Its implied in the movie that Chigurh doesnt kill Lewellyn. The Coen Brothers decision to leave out Carla Jeans coin toss can be taken as it being Chugurh’s choice and pushing for their theme of fate. More people in the street battle seems like it may have ruined it, that scene was definitely intense. Everyone I watched it with jumped when the lock shot off the door.
I guess I can buy the ‘Anton as death’ thing, it ties into my idea that Bell’s dream is about the only certainty in life is its end. Anton, representative of destiny and against free will, could very easily also represent death, the only thing certain in life.
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Its a social comment on the American system, if you follow the money and make greed your virtue in its pursuit, you will fail and it will lead to your demise. Good people take what they have everyday and instead of being happy they still want something more and it will corrupt you in the end, so in this journey you leave this life early even if you live, your still dead in other ways.
I think thats the movies basic idea IMO.
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Okay, assuming IL did a good job, because I am not watching the movie, I just don’t have the time, then the movie is wrong.
Good people fail more often than bad people in our culture. Look at lawyers, politicians, corrupt contractors, corrupt police men, etc. We catch very few of them and even the ones foolish enough to get caught seem to do much better then the average “good” man.
Corruption seems to lead to power, wealth and respect more often then honor and integrity. It’s really only the soldiers and leaders of war that seem to be remembered in the course of history for displaying honor and integrity.
Sure, everyone knows that Lee was an honorable man. Everyone knows that William Wallace had integrity. Everyone knows that Richard Nixon was a crook and that Joseph Stalin was a mad man. (Everyone forgets the good that Nixon and Stalin did however, and only remember the bad.)
Okay, so Nixon and Stalin are bad examples because one was eventually found out and the other didn’t care if he was found out because he had the power. But that’s just the point! Deceit, corruption, conspiracy, theft and other criminal or quasi-criminal behavior is how men get power.
It’s unfortunate, but it’s also an inconvenient truth.
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How does the girl play a bigger part in the book? In the movie, her sole purpose seems to be to begin a short bit of dialogue that further explores the fate theme:
“Whatcha looking for?”
“I’m lookin’ for what’s comin’.”
“Well you don’t know what’s comin’.”Its implied in the movie that Chigurh doesnt kill Lewellyn. The Coen Brothers decision to leave out Carla Jeans coin toss can be taken as it being Chugurh’s choice and pushing for their theme of fate. More people in the street battle seems like it may have ruined it, that scene was definitely intense. Everyone I watched it with jumped when the lock shot off the door.
I guess I can buy the ‘Anton as death’ thing, it ties into my idea that Bell’s dream is about the only certainty in life is its end. Anton, representative of destiny and against free will, could very easily also represent death, the only thing certain in life.
Well, the girl rolls with Lewellyn for a while. She’s another example of the fate vs. circumstance theme. She dies just as well in the book, but it was unnecessary as she was just in the wrong place in the wrong time. There is a lot of dialog between her and Lewellyn that gives more insight into his character too.
The book and movie kinda blur to me, so I’m trying to remember what’s what. Carla Jean loses the coin toss, but resigns to her fate (I thought that was important after she pleads for her life). You get to see Anton’s weird but logical “moral” code, and that he is a man of his word. The people in the street battle are the same ones that kill Lewellyn…Mexicans from the other drug runners where the deal went bad (and the attack Anton as well). And I knew that lock (and the sudden wreck) was coming, so it didn’t get me too much but it worked well for my date!
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And I knew that lock (and the sudden wreck) was coming, so it didn’t get me too much but it worked well for my date!
Without having read the book I felt both the lock and crash coming, but yes, it easily surprises women, hahaha.
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I really recommend the book though, you seem interested enough in the movie. You could probably knock it out in a day or so.
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Ill check it out sometime, and throw it onto the extremely long list of books I want to read.
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