JWW v Amon (allies)

[Amon-Sul]

well if u wish we can reroll the battle from the begining

[666]

@Amon-Sul:

u did not specify before battle so i just pressed ok on triple a all the time

I don’t recall you asking? on any big naval battle of that nature isn’t it customary to ask OOL?

[666]

@Amon-Sul:

its maybe just better that i surrender this game.

if luck and wisdom keep abandonin me , i ll sure soon will

the odds weren’t with you on that battle, that is for sure….

[Amon-Sul]

no problem.

we can reroll the battle.

since I knew which units should I take as casualties (since I go for maximum offense) and U are not sure, I suggest that U roll the battle from the begining, and choose Ur own casualties, and for mine it is logical, just do it ;)

It is better that U roll, because if i roll , i ll have to ask U about casualties each round

cheers

[Amon-Sul]

@JWW:

@Amon-Sul:

u did not specify before battle so i just pressed ok on triple a all the time

I don’t recall you asking? on any big naval battle of that nature isn’t it customary to ask OOL?

sorry, I did not knew U wish differently. I was just rolling.

U can re roll the battle , np.

cheers

[666]

good morning Amon,

It is difficult for me to simply accept a complete re-roll because you didn’t ask me for OOL. I am a bit crazy when it comes to this game and these things, so please, in the future, please ask OOL for any large battles or naval battles.

Perhaps we can agree to this?

The first round dice do not need to be rerolled as nothing needs to be changed. USA has 6 hits, JPN has 9. As stated I would take the hits differently, being 1 tipped BB, 2 tipped CV’s, 3 killed ss’s.
This doesn’t effect your second round dice, of course, you had 2 hits, the JPN round 2 dice will be effected as I no longer have any subs….Usually I would say that since the two subs didn’t hit the first time it doesn’t matter, just move onto the next round attack but I think you really want to roll this battle again so perhaps we start the re-roll here? Should we do a low luck re-roll the rest of the way? This way it would avoid me rolling better than 9 hit’s on D, which I had. I would have 8 hits and I would have one roll for a 1.

Jpn round two rolls on D would be for 2 tipped BB’s, 2 tipped and 2 undamaged CV’s, 1 cr, 2 dd, 5 fgt & 2 tac. for 8.1 (8 hits and one dice at 1) against USA 5 ss, 1 tipped BB, 4 dd & fgt

The the usa would have a low luck re-roll for round 3 attack, you would have  BB, fgt & most likely a DD. 1 hit plus a dice at 3 etc……

Ultimately with a low luck re-roll, you would come out better than the last round dice, probably killing 2-3 more of my units. I haven’t done the math. What do you think?

On a different topic Wheatbeer uses a low luck re-roll system when he plays, I have been asking people if they want to incorporate it in my games. When there are crazy bad dice you can request a low luck reroll. it helps take the sting out of getting diced…anyways let me know.

[Amon-Sul]

I am moving to another house with my family so i m pretty busy. I ll try to play as soon as I can, i hope in a few days.

As for the battle, i think it is ok we keep my usa first round dice

[Amon-Sul]

If U think we can preserve other dices (all though U are changing hits received) - jap 1, usa 2 etc. keep them.

Keep all rounds that can be kept.

But do not use LL.

Cheers

AS

[Amon-Sul]

So some unofficial rule or standard would be that the defender in big battles does not give OOL earlier, but the attacker asks when attcking?

Good to know.

[666]

@Amon-Sul:

So some unofficial rule or standard would be that the defender in big battles does not give OOL earlier, but the attacker asks when attcking?

Good to know.

Yes, if you are attacking, your opponent is supposed to select casualties. Just as your opponent is to decide to intercept, scramble or Kamikaze. Most battles are quite simple so there isn’t a need to ask but in large battles, especially large naval battles, you should ask because it is very important. Choosing the wrong units to lose in a game can cost a great deal. I didn’t expect you, the Americans, to start a suicide attack on the stronger Jpn fleet, therefore I wouldn’t have said, if you are attacking my OOL is……

your 1st and 2nd round dice wouldn’t change… my first round doesn’t change, my second round would as I don’t have 2 subs but if I hit 9 again then your third round dice wouldn’t change either because you would only have the tipped BB & 1 fgt…

here is the new Jpn 2, NON LL, roll…
Jpn round two rolls on D would be for 2 tipped BB’s, 2 tipped and 2 undamaged CV’s, 1 cr, 2 dd, 5 fgt & 2 tac
Rolls: 6@2 3@3 7@4; Total Hits: 96@2: (4, 4, 6, 2, 1, 1)3@3: (4, 4, 3)7@4: (2, 4, 2, 5, 3, 1, 5)

[666]

I got 9 hits again, you have a tipped BB and a fgt, your 3rd round attacking units don’t change, your dice doesn’t change, you have 1 hit, I would lose a tac.

My third round D is
Jpn round two rolls on D would be for 2 tipped BB’s, 2 tipped and 2 undamaged CV’s, 1 cr, 2 dd, 5 fgt & 1 tac

Rolls: 6@2 2@3 7@4; Total Hits: 86@2: (3, 2, 3, 5, 4, 3)2@3: (2, 1)7@4: (2, 1, 5, 3, 4, 1, 5)

[666]

Nothing changes other than the JPN lost an extra unit, 1 TAC.

I will edit the file and send it over for your review and approval for me to continue. Let me know if you have any questions.

[666]

@Amon-Sul:

I am moving to another house with my family so i m pretty busy. I ll try to play as soon as I can, i hope in a few days.

Congrats on the new move! I hope it is a wonderful new home. You are in the Adriatic region, correct?

[666]

This is wrong, I am sorry.

@JWW:

I got 9 hits again, you have a tipped BB and a fgt, your 3rd round attacking units don’t change, your dice doesn’t change, you have 1 hit, I would lose a tac.

My third round D is
Jpn round two rolls on D would be for 2 tipped BB’s, 2 tipped and 2 undamaged CV’s, 1 cr, 2 dd, 5 fgt & 1 tac

Rolls: 6@2 2@3 7@4; Total Hits: 86@2: (3, 2, 3, 5, 4, 3)2@3: (2, 1)7@4: (2, 1, 5, 3, 4, 1, 5)

[666]

again, sorry, your second round 2 hits cause jpn to lose two TAC so Jpn’s third rd D would have had two less tac’s……versus the american tipped BB & fgt.

USA’s 1 hit in rd three, jpn selects a fgt to lose.

here is jan’s third round D
Rolls: 6@2 1@3 7@4; Total Hits: 56@2: (1, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)1@3: (4)7@4: (4, 6, 3, 2, 5, 3, 5)

[666]

JPN loses an additional 2 tac’s & fgt. Keeps it’s dd’s and two undamaged cv’s….

[666]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 10

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Chile to Argentina
            1 infantry moved from Bolivia to Argentina
            1 infantry moved from Uruguay to Argentina
            1 armour moved from Brazil to Paraguay
                  Americans take Paraguay from Neutral_True
            2 artilleries and 1 bomber moved from Brazil to Argentina
            1 armour moved from Paraguay to Argentina
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 1 fighter and 9 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 91 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Morocco

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 2 transports
                    2 transports owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Germans: 2 transports
            Battle in Morocco
                Americans attack with 3 bombers
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                    Americans roll dice for 3 bombers in Morocco, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Morocco, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Morocco
                Americans win with 3 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in Argentina
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                Neutral_True defend with 4 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Argentina, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Neutral_True roll dice for 4 infantry in Argentina, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Argentina
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 bomber in Argentina, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    Neutral_True roll dice for 1 infantry in Argentina, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Argentina
                Americans win, taking Argentina from Neutral_True with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 4 infantry
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 1 fighter and 9 submarines
                Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 3 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
                    Americans roll dice for 9 submarines in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/9 hits
                Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Japanese
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 destroyers and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Japanese and 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                    Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  9/16 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                    4 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 submarine owned by the Japanese and 2 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/5 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 4 destroyers and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/6 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  9/16 hits
                    5 submarines owned by the Americans, 4 destroyers owned by the Americans and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  10/16 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -122
                Casualties for Americans: 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 1 fighter and 9 submarines
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 3 submarines
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese and 5 fighters owned by the Japanese forced to land in Shan State

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Argentina to Queensland
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            3 bombers moved from Morocco to British Guiana
            2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 89 Sea Zone to Southeast Mexico
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Southeast Mexico
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            2 carriers and 2 destroyers moved from 101 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iceland to 123 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 5 carriers, 4 fighters, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 5 transports moved from 123 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 bomber placed in Western United States
            1 artillery, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States
            1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3
            Americans collect 60 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 60 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
            Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 85 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 90 PUs

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Guerilla Hopei: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Hopei
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow

Combat - Chinese
            Chinese creates battle in territory Hopei
            Battle in Kweichow
                Chinese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow
                Chinese win, taking Hopei from Japanese, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Szechwan
                Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
                Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Yunnan

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Yunnan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 8 PUs

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 3 aaGuns, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
                  UK_Pacific take 41 Sea Zone from Japanese
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Persia
            1 armour moved from Afghanistan to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Persia
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Persia, round 2 :  6/9 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Persia, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Germans, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Persia
                British win, taking Persia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 43 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 43 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Persia to Iraq
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to India

Place Units - British
            3 aaGuns placed in Iraq
            1 factory_minor placed in Saudi Arabia
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt
            1 destroyer placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 40 PUs
            Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 43 PUs
            Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5,2,4
            UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs
            Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 37 Sea Zone: 2 carriers
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 37 Sea Zone: 2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shan State: 4 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 37 Sea Zone: 4 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shan State: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shan State: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 37 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 37 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shan State: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 37 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

triplea_42494_UK_10.tsvg

[666]

let me know if you are ok for italy to continue….

FYI…the IPC swing wasn’t -122 but -98, closer to what you thought it would be…

[666]

:-(

[Amon-Sul]

sorry ,i was finally able to get internet in a new house. i ll play tomorrow.

cheers