18L MrRoboto (Axis) vs Majikforce (Allies) BM3

[majikforce]

@MrRoboto:

Hm yeah well in that case you win that game obviously.

Unless of course you’d repeat your Russian turn. You can keep the good Archangel result while rerolling Bessarabia

Okay let me think about it as I look at the map tonight.

[majikforce]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Guerilla Anhwe: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei

Combat - Chinese
            Chinese creates battle in territory Anhwe
            Battle in Hopei
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
                Chinese win, taking Anhwe from Japanese, taking Hopei from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang
            1 fighter moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Shensi
            1 infantry placed in Hopei

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs

triplea_42397_Chi7.tsvg

[majikforce]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 8 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 8 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to 21 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from India to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 109 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 109 Sea Zone from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 armour moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 71 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Denmark
            Battle in 21 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 2 transports
                    2 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 21 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking Denmark from Germans with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports
            Battle in Anhwe
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Anhwe, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Anhwe
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 125 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Aleutian Islands to 8 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 8 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Alaska to Western United States
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from 10 Sea Zone to Western United States
            1 bomber moved from British Columbia to Hawaiian Islands
            2 fighters moved from 16 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 8 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 marine moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 marine and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan
            3 infantry and 1 marine moved from Brazil to British Guiana

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 76 PUs

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Guerilla Anhwe: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei

Combat - Chinese
            Chinese creates battle in territory Anhwe
            Battle in Hopei
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
                Chinese win, taking Anhwe from Japanese, taking Hopei from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang
            1 fighter moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Shensi
            1 infantry placed in Hopei

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Germany
            3 fighters moved from Egypt to 99 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 77 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 21 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 3 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 99 Sea Zone
                British win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
            Battle in 94 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 94 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                British win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport
            Battle in Germany
                British captures 56PUs while taking Germans capital
                British converts factory_major into different units
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 21 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 21 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 2 :  4/26 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                British win, taking Germany from Germans, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 21 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            triggerGermansDestroyPUsBritish: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to Germans

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India
            3 aaGuns moved from India to Burma
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from West India to India
            2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 armour moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Libya to Egypt
            3 fighters moved from 99 Sea Zone to Bryansk

Place Units - British
            2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Iraq
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 40 PUs; end with 97 PUs
            Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 100 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs
            Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry

triplea_42397_UK_7.tsvg

[majikforce]

@majikforce:

@MrRoboto:

Hm yeah well in that case you win that game obviously.

Unless of course you’d repeat your Russian turn. You can keep the good Archangel result while rerolling Bessarabia

Okay let me think about it as I look at the map tonight.

I have decided to carry on as is.  I grow weary of allowing edits after the turn has posted and the next power has gone.  I guess I expect more from the higher caliber players.  It’s not just you but in some of my other games as well.  If you were an inexperienced player I would be much more forgiving. But the Denmark can opener is a pretty basic capital move that I am sure you are well aware of.  At what point am I not supposed to benefit from my opponents mistake?  I hope you understand my position.  You have every right to concede if you wish but I feel you still have a strong enough position that you might be able to recover.  It will be a set back for Germany but I have no other allied Atlantic position that I can make stick for some turns to come.

[MrRoboto]

@majikforce:

I hope you understand my position.

I really don’t.

It’s not that I missed the Denmark can opener. I was just too fast / too inattentive when placing the units at the end.

You have every right to deny the edit, I simply don’t consider it a good sportsmanship and will refrain from playing against you in the future.
That you’re trying to sugarcoat it by telling me the game is not lost after that is the icing on the cake for me.

[majikforce]

@MrRoboto:

@majikforce:

I hope you understand my position.

I really don’t.

It’s not that I missed the Denmark can opener. I was just too fast / too inattentive when placing the units at the end.

You have every right to deny the edit, I simply don’t consider it a good sportsmanship and will refrain from playing against you in the future.
That you’re trying to sugarcoat it by telling me the game is not lost after that is the icing on the cake for me.

Sorry you feel that way.  As for sportmanship, owning up to your mistake is a much better show of sportmanship than me giving you a pass for something you “didn’t miss” but were just to “fast and inattentive” to take in to account.  It seems like a pretty important part of your turn, protecting your capital and all.  I just don’t buy it.  You didn’t see it and only realized it after Russia had gone.  Again I ask at what point is someone not supposed to take advantage of an opponents mistake?  I have made many a mistake and lost games.  I would never ask for an edit in that situation.  Just live with it, learn from it and try to be better next time.  That’s what I do.  I guess we will not playing each other anymore and that’s your choice, but please do not try and make me look bad because of your mistake.  (as you did in the game result thread)

[MrRoboto]

I was not flaming you, I was not distorting facts. I was not insulting you. I was simply stating what had happened. If you feel that makes you look bad - well think about what that means…

You don’t believe me that I originally planned to place the units split in W Germany and Germany, and that’s your right. It’s up to you. Let me just tell you, that I’m playing 10 games simultaneously right now and therefore am not focusing on each and every turn as much as I would do if I was playing only 2-3 games. That’s not an excuse, it’s the explanation how those things can happen.
I can live with it, but I can not really “learn from it” and “be better next time” as you suggest, because I already know about the Denmark opener.

As I already said - you have every right to act like you did. If you play this game for the results, which is fine, it makes sense. If you play it for the satisfaction of being better than your opponent and thus beating him that’s something else. I doubt this win will give you a lot of satisfaction, but it all comes down to what you value more.