I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
I has snow!
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Maybe not today but four months from now is a different story. As you know…
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Darlin, it’s a bloomin desert! I know it’ll be 110* and drier then 10 day old cow patties in no time! (smell about the same too, IMHO.)
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Yeah, nothing like the smell of thousand year old sheep turds blowing in the wind.
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@Cmdr:
@Cmdr:
I agree, it’s snide, rude, and highly uninformed.
I guess you would know, lol.
But I see you again making up claims without any citations. Remember when we did have PD and everyone agreed that an argument required something like that? Yeah? Well, I’m sorry that I don’t believe you now when you continue to not cite, get caught red-handed plagiarizing or down right lying, and use weasel words and phrases like “everyone knows” and “all scientists say…”
Yes, and YOU are claiming I am wrong, thus YOU must provide evidence.
Your take on the convention of debating is spectacular. But I don’t really want to get into that AGAIN with you, when the entire site couldn’t convince you otherwise. So when are you going to prove U-505 wrong?
To put your method into perspective, we had the mildest winter ever here in KY. We had 70 degree weather in Oct., Nov., and even Feb. We didn’t even get a decent snow (mostly flurries all winter) until last week, and it was gone in 2 days. By my perceptions, global warming is here. But that’s now how it works.
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Hu, hu, come to Spain and see the climatic change in all his power. Here in Andalucia we had this year a 3 month spring (November to January) and a 9 month summer of flame (oh, that was a great Dragonlance book!) the rest of the year . 50º Celsius on shadow :cry:
Winter? Yea, in ancient times, when the world was young, It was winter in Andalucia :-D
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of course its here. everyone knows that. the earth warms up sometimes. but why……
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of course its here. everyone knows that. the earth warms up sometimes. but why……
Effects on the gravity field induced by interstellar radiation
Solar Flares/Sun Spots/Increased Solar Mass Ejections, etc
Volcanic/Tectonic activity
Normal fluctuation in Earth’s elliptical path around the sun (falls closer and father away)
Normal Earth progression on it’s axis (our North star is not always the same, it’s been a different start as recently as a few thousand years ago)The only thing we can really say about why the Earth warms and cools each year is that man has nothing to do with it.
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I disagree, Jen. Of course, Global Warming can have natural causes. But the man also has impact on it. How much is the question, sure, but the man has impact. It’s better trying do something about it because the man can make the global warming worst than if only natural issues were affecting. Investing in alternate energies is not only good for prevent global warming, is good for preventing economy collapsing when fossile combustibles are no more and can save much money.
An example: Spain is a country with plenty of hours of sun and strong winds. It would be better economically for Spain invest in more solar and wind power plants than continue relying mayorly on importantion of fossile combustibles. There are a few some solar/wind power plants in Spain, but should be more.
And not, this is not a liberal/conservative issue. Is a issue of political interest. Our 4 year so-called “socialist” government does not much about it (they are too busy babbling insults against the conservatives of PP and viceversa).
Of course, another countries could make another approach depending their circumstances and in any case, the changes should be made at the proper speed, not too fast for not collapsing the economy but not too slow or it will not resolve nothing.
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97% water vapor. open a science book. :oops: soory.
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Don’t get me wrong, Func. I have no problem, even a desire to engender man to achieve, a reduction in pollution. However, there is no scientific basis for man causing the planet to warm or cool.
Solar panels are great! If I didn’t live in an @$$-ociataion myself, I’d have solar panels on the roof and a tankless water hearter in my utility room.
Being conservative means you want to CONSERVE what we had. That means clean water, clean air, lush park areas to enjoy, etc. But I very much doubt that a minivan is killing all life on planet as we know it because the planet is getting warmer. Especially because the Medieval period had higher temperatures then we have today and no minivans. Likewise, the industrial revolution had colder temperatures then we have today and spewed massively higher amounts of greenhouse gases and other pollutants into the atmosphere.
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Bal, I don’t know what do you mean. I could not understand your post, truly :|
Jen, the trouble is not a single minivan. There are millions of minivans, millions of fabrics and such. Of course, as I said, natural causes can be there and sure there are, but man’s hand can get the issue worst.
I know the issue on Industrial rev. This is called “the little ice age”, I think. Anyway, the amount of pollution in 18th and 19th centuries was lesser than in 20th and 21th, and remember in the last 50 years, the industrialization have reached all the globe and the world has bigger population. So the trouble is increasing quickly.
Say we are sceptic and think the trouble is not big still (that I would disagree). This is increasing anyway and sometime we will have to do something. Even if you think is not a urgent matter, no damage is done if we keep the vigilance (just in case). Absolute negation, I think, is a bit risky.
Interesting debate here, pals
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Thing is we can’t/havn’t proven that the globe is warming due to any thing man has done. we have had global warming in the past (it’s how we got out of ice ages), and i’m sure man didn’t make so many camp fires that we warmed the earth.
now i am not saying that the earth is not getting warmer, but to say that man is the cause is rash.
now i am all for finding alternative fuels to replace what we have BUT they should work effectivly and guidelines should not be so drastic that it harms the economy. Global warming has been a big excuse for a lot of stuff that hurts people and the proff is not hear that people have had an inpact, or atleast a large enough of one to justify the harm done to people so far/being proposed. in Austrelia there is a new tax on children because of Global warming, in WA state there is a proposed tax on cars with larger motors to off set there carbon emisions due to Global warming (and yet in the Seattle area we have heavy traffic and a state that is wasting billions of dollors on light rail that only goes 14 miles well that same amount of money could open up lains on the freeways to open up congestion on the freeways).
Global warming is an excuse to tax people and hurt industry for no clear benafit.
yes a car that cost less in gas to run is a good thing for me to have, but that dosn’t mean I should have to have a good gas millage car.
the earth is in a cycle, thats all it is. if i remember right we had Global Cooling back a few years ago that was being blamed on man and polution we were doing. how can the same thing cause two totaly diffrent extreams? -
in Austrelia there is a new tax on children because of Global warming, in WA state there is a proposed tax on cars with larger motors to off set there carbon emisions due to Global warming
I heard of the cars with big motors tax, but this children tax is totally new to me. What charges this tax?
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now i am all for finding alternative fuels to replace what we have BUT they should work effectivly and guidelines should not be so drastic that it harms the economy
I said something similar in another post. I agree.
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Func:
The problem is that people like you are telling people like me that 32 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere is causing the planet to warm MORE than Solar Events, Interstellar Radiation, Water Vapor, Volcanos, etc.
It’s scientifically and logically impossible. I’d be willing to listen to a debate between real scientists who say global warming is not man made, nor is it actually happening, and people like Al Gore who says it is and it’s our fault. But people like Al Gore will NOT enter into a debate! Sounds like they KNOW their evidence is faulty and thus, to prevent getting creamed in a debate by people who KNOW what they are talking about, they hide and say “Consensus” (which, most of the “consensus” came from administrators, lab technicians and politicians, very few scientists were in the consensus. Some scientists on the panel actually had to file law suits to get their names removed from the endorsement pages because they did not consent to the findings!)
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Of course, Global Warming can have natural causes. But the man also has impact on it. How much is the question, sure, but the man has impact. It’s better trying do something about it because the man can make the global warming worst than if only natural issues were affecting.
I never said the man is the only responsable. I only said that can make the problem greater than would be only by natural causes.
I didn’t mencioned Mr. Gore’s speechs. Seems he is a bit hipocrit because he talks about climatic change and so, but he was USA’s VP for 8 years and didn’t much about the issue, and seems he has some industries that contamine too much. Anyway if the messenger is a bad guy, not means the message is also wrong. The reverse of “don’t kill the messenger only because he carried bad notices” :-)
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sorry miss worded my above statment. the child tax is being proposed in Austrelia, not passed yet.
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sorry miss worded my above statment. the child tax is being proposed in Austrelia, not passed yet.
Anyway, what charges? I’m intrigued… Say, it charges every children after the first or such or what?
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@Cmdr:
Water Vapor
Now I understand what Bal meant, that argument is new to me. I’ll search Google to find more info about it :-)
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each child after the 2nd has to pay $5,000 to buy land and trees to plant on that land, then they have to pay tax’s on that land (although it’s government owned) till the day they die.
the $5k is bassed of the price of land from the 1990’s and as such would probably be higher in cost.
this is to offset there housing they will need and the food they will consume durring there life.
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