Global temperature’s cooled a lot last year, and the trend the past few years has been cooler the normal. Hell, they had snow in Baghdad this year and China’s been dealing with record snow falls (same as the American Mid-West and other parts.)
It’s almost like God said: “Oh yea, Al? You think YOU are in control of the weather!? Let’s just see about that, shall we!” Though, honestly, I think God loves it when man says they understand something or has made something so powerful no one else can destroy it, ie Titanic. But that’s just me.
Anyway, Chicago routinely gets 20% of its snow fall after March 1st. Since we are up over 50 inches this year, and the record is 57 inches, that means we’ll break Chicago’s all time record for snow this year, probably. (By 3 inches, assuming 20% more based on 50 already received.)
Lousy Smarch weather.
Nice try Commander. you can’t make a veiled attempt at debunking global warming that I can’t see through. The planet is still getting hotter. It just doesn’t mean that the weather will stop fluctuating or areas won’t have record heat or cold. Record snowfall doesn’t prove the earth is cooling any more than the heat wave in Memphis that topped out at 107 at my house last summer proves that it is rapidly heating up. The planet doesn’t work that fast.
No snow, but enough wind yesterday to knock out my power.
I have a yard full of limbs, and about 300 posts on here to catch up on after yesterday…
http://www.wral.com/weather/story/2544756/
Not a huge event, but it was enough to ruin my plans for yesterday :-(
Yeah, I got my weekend plans for a cabin retreat ruined by a “blizzard.” It only ended up giving us about 4 or 5 inches, at most. And by the time Sunday rolled around (2 days later) it had mostly melted. Damn it all.
Nice try Commander. you can’t make a veiled attempt at debunking global warming that I can’t see through. The planet is still getting hotter. It just doesn’t mean that the weather will stop fluctuating or areas won’t have record heat or cold. Record snowfall doesn’t prove the earth is cooling any more than the heat wave in Memphis that topped out at 107 at my house last summer proves that it is rapidly heating up. The planet doesn’t work that fast.
Global warming is so debunked that the majority of free scientists don’t support it anymore. At least MAN MADE global warming.
This year was just icing on the cake. Record snows all over the globe. Record ice growth in Antartica. Reports that polar bear populations are at record highs in their entire history. Snow in parts of the globe that almost NEVER get snow. And, to top it off, the planetary temperature cooled by almost a whole degree centigrade (which is in excess of the 0.4 degree of rise that worried Al Gore.)
@Cmdr:
Global warming is so debunked that the majority of free scientists don’t support it anymore. At least MAN MADE global warming.
This year was just icing on the cake. Record snows all over the globe. Record ice growth in Antartica. Reports that polar bear populations are at record highs in their entire history. Snow in parts of the globe that almost NEVER get snow. And, to top it off, the planetary temperature cooled by almost a whole degree centigrade (which is in excess of the 0.4 degree of rise that worried Al Gore.)
Really? I suppose that the countries of the world have completely abandoned their efforts to cut carbon emmissions because the majority of free scientists(as opposed to enslaved scientists?) don’t support global warming? The Commander has spoken. It is so. :roll:
Neither you nor I are meteorological scientists and we can both cite numerous examples of propaganda with regard to “man made or not man made” global warming but we do have global temperature data which is, of course, unbiased. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/ Simply data. Unless you can prove that NASA is the last desperate bastion of your so called “eco-terrorists” then I will assume that we all agree that the data is unbiased. And you can interpret that data however you wish.
I have chosen to interpret that data as the planet getting hotter because, well, it is( you will note that the global annual mean surface air temperatures fluctuate yet the TREND is that the planet is heating up).
You have chosen to interpret that data as despite 2007 being the 3rd hottest year on record AND despite it being hotter than the year before, because the last 2 months have been unusually cool the planet is obviously getting colder. When attempting to debunk a scientific claim it is important to use the smallest sample size to back your claims and 2 months out of 1 year is about as small as you can get.
Also, your claim that the planetary temperature has dropped by an entire degree makes no sense seeing as how the global annual mean temperatures for the period from 1880 to 2008 have grown by slightly less that 1 degree centigrade. The only thing I can think of is that you are saying the monthly temperature for January 2008 is 1 degree lower than the monthly temperature for January 2007 but that is just dissecting data to meet your needs.
If you would like to debate man made versus non-man made global warming, we can do that. I can’t prove anything but I have my suspicions.
If you look at the graph for the Annual Mean Temperature Change for Hemispheres you’ll note that the temperature increases in the northern hemisphere(where the majority of the worlds industry is located) are more than double over the southern hemisphere.
If you also go back to the Global Annual Mean Surface Air Temperature Change graph you’ll note that the increases in planetary temperature spiked between 1937 and 1945 that wasn’t matched again until the 1980’s. Now what was it that happened between 37’ and 45’ that could have spiked the planetary temperature so drastically? Could it have been a massive industrialization effort around the world due to an event that currently slips my mind?
Again, those two points don’t prove anything, but they are interesting to note.
Yea, and in 1975 the global mean temperatures were trending colder and we were all going to freeze to death.
Funny how you will totally disregard all the evidence to support your religion and your faith in the almighty profit Al Gore, isn’t it?
Nations are being FORCED against reason and common sense, to worry about carbon emissions because of this unmoral religion that’s sprung up. This is much akin to Kings being forced to give fealty to the Pope in the middle ages.
However, most reasonable scientists with studies into global warming do not think the planet is warming up faster then normal nor that it will ever get above a reasonable fluctuation in temperature based on solar emissions. The rest of the reasonable and trained scientists who actually know what they are talking about think global warming is the biggest hoax ever thrust on the human race.
You know who support it? Mostly scientists who do not study global warming. Anyone who opposes them were kicked off the climate change committees because they had valid arguments like the models disregarding interstellar radiation, solar emissions, increased tectonic activity, etc.
Less then 1000 years ago the planet was much warmer then it is today. And we’re cooling off now! There were no effects from man made carbon emissions then because there were no man made carbon emissions! Tens of thousands of years ago the entire planet was covered in ice.
the dreyfuss girl from seinfeld did the speech at my brothers graduation from northwestern. an ultra left campus. she basically told the crowd to line up afterwards and buy lightbulbs that she brought. she brought thousands. i checked and she is highly invested in the company that makes them.
al gore has millions invested in green tech companies. he stands to make 10’s of millions of dollars if all goes well and people keep buying them. hell, they made our regular bulbs ILLEGAL after 2009.
to put it simply. create a bonfire. sit by it. i will put you closer to it and then also throw a lot more wood on to make it hotter. a global warming person would try to find another way to explain why you are getting hotter. rather than b/c the bonfire is hotter and you are closer to it. :roll:
Lol.
Not only will I disregard your evidence and argument, I’ll make ridiculous claims myself and not cite any evidence of my own. And knock religions while I’m at it.
how did this talk of snow turn into global warming?
ok a few tid bits against man made global warmming.
little artical.
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/
“I saw the movie (my input, reffering to Al Gore’s Inconvinat Truth), too. You probably remember the little animation of the mosquitoes moving up the mountain to Nairobi? Do you remember that?
Well, that is one of the ridiculous things that is being bandied about by the global warming people. Let me tell you the details. Nairobi was not, as they say, was not – the site of Nairobi was not selected because it was a healthy place for Europeans to live. In other words, high enough in the mountains. Nairobi was a camp in the construction of a railroad from Mambasa to Uganda and it was chosen because it was a watering place. Nairobi means the place of peaceful watering, I think, in the Maasai language. And right from the beginning it was really terribly malarious. It was so malarious that the doctors on the project wanted to get Nairobi or get the camp moved somewhere else. And it continued to be malarious. There were five major epidemics of malaria in Nairobi and in Kenya up to 1,000 meters higher than Nairobi. Nairobi’s at 1,600 meters. There were some transmission even at 2,500 meters.
So basically it’s a complete nonsense and we’ve pointed – I’ve pointed this out to the advisors and Mr. Gore for the last 12 years but they’ve just hung onto that. This is very typical of many of the issues that we are facing and many of us scientists are frustrated because of this kind of misinformation.” Paul Reiter 3/4/08
About Paul Reiter’s: Member of the World Health Organization, and was one of the original contributers to the IPCC report until he fought to get his name off the report.
Lol.
Not only will I disregard your evidence and argument, I’ll make ridiculous claims myself and not cite any evidence of my own. And knock religions while I’m at it.
For some reason I’m picturing this being said in the exaggerated “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” French castle accent. :-D
how did this talk of snow turn into global warming?
Hell this group could politicize a discussion of breakfast cereal:
“Oh yeah?!? Well the Trix rabbit wouldn’t have to beg if the insert opposing political party hadn’t insert offending action back in insert year.”
Well anyway, very soon only those in the Arctic Circle will be on topic. ~ZP
Lol.
Not only will I disregard your evidence and argument, I’ll make ridiculous claims myself and not cite any evidence of my own. And knock religions while I’m at it.
For some reason I’m picturing this being said in the exaggerated “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” French castle accent. :-D
I agree, it’s snide, rude, and highly uninformed.
There’s no, that’s ZERO, evidence that global warming is man made or that it even really exists. In 10 years we had a 0.4 degree centigrade temperature increase. Last year we had a 1.0 degree centigrade decrease. In other words, we are colder now, then we were ten years ago.
Furthermore, the models being used for greenhouse gas warming do NOT take into account volcanic activity, solar activity, interstellar radiation activity, magnetic activity or other natural phenomena. On top of that, global temperature stations are routinely placed over hot springs, air conditioner exhaust systems and other hot spots which skews the data.
I don’t HAVE to find proof, because everyone already KNOWS it is happening. (Hey, you religious fanatics use that argument all the time. My turn…only, in my case it also happens to be true. There are plenty of pictures of temperature stations where I described them and literally tens of thousands of scientists who have been studying this saying that the theory is bunk.)
As for how this came into play, Chicago has the highest snow fall in recorded history (Almost. We’re within 3 inches.) Baghdad had the first snow fall in recorded history. China’s buried in snow and experiencing the coldest winter in their history. Antartican ice sheets grew at a rate never before seen by man. Polar Bears are not only thriving, but at their highest populations since records were first taken of them over a hundred years ago. (Grizzly bears are too, for the record, they were endangered before President Bush took them off the endangered species list.)
There’s no evidence that global warming isn’t just a touchy feely new age religion. However, if you look at the believers of the faith, they do react much like Muslims, Buddhists and Christians. They take everything on faith and call anyone who dares to question their beliefs pagans, fanatics, heathens or unbelievers. In fact, they’ve even taken to lieing about people trying to get them fired if they do not alter their test results to show what THEY want shown.
On top of that, they are forcing us to put deadly chemicals in our homes! If one CFL breaks in my house, it will cost me $1,300 to have the government come clean it up and it may kill my children. If an incandescent bulb breaks in my house, I use a potato to get the rest of the bulb out of the socket, get a vacuum or broom and dust pan and clean it up, then go to the store, pay $0.50 and get a new one.
They are artificially driving up the price of gas by forbidding the United States from drilling our own oil AND from building refineries. It’s a plot to force us to conform to how THEY want us to live. If we built just two more refineries and opened drilling on the coast, the price of gas would be much lower then it is today. I’m not saying it would be as low as in the 1980s, but we could see 1990s prices again and that, in turn, would stop inflation in its tracks as food and medicine, and transportation and all other prices dropped as well.
This thread is OFF TOPIC.
It was NOT a global warming thread climate, it was a WEATHER thread posted for fun.
weather is fun. anyone not get the four seasons?
@Cmdr:
I agree, it’s snide, rude, and highly uninformed.
I guess you would know, lol.
But I see you again making up claims without any citations. Remember when we did have PD and everyone agreed that an argument required something like that? Yeah? Well, I’m sorry that I don’t believe you now when you continue to not cite, get caught red-handed plagiarizing or down right lying, and use weasel words and phrases like “everyone knows” and “all scientists say…”
But good on balung for trying to bring things back. :lol:
Now that I think about it, Iraq isn’t much different from Connecticut. We have two seasons, summer and winter.
Washington has 2 seasons.
cold rain season and not so cold rain season :lol:
@M36:
Now that I think about it, Iraq isn’t much different from Connecticut. We have two seasons, summer and winter.
The weather around Baghdad is exactly the same as home for me. The only difference is that at home the AC in my car works.
