@krieghund Your answer and the FAQ are super helpful – thank you!
The UnBaltic - CSub paper #18
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Is there a nit that either of you will not pick with the other?
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@ncscswitch:
Is there a nit that either of you will not pick with the other?
:wink:Yup. I won’t argue who has the bigger penis. I’ll just re-iterate that women are genetically superior to men because God had to practice first to find the flaws, then created the perfect being. :evil:
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@Cmdr:
I’ll just re-iterate that women are genetically superior to men because God had to practice first to find the flaws, then created the perfect being. :evil:
Then Why was Man made in Gods image?
and a woman was made from the rib of man.
She’s a copy of a copy… and we all know how poor THAT quality is! :evil:
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Pals, better end the sex-war debate :-P All wars are bad (saving wars with plastic pieces , of course), but war of the sexes (spelling?) is the worst war of all :cry:
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@Mazer:
The problem is, this isn’t quite how it works in reality. While it’s true the attacker can’t retreat from submerged subs, they can retreat before the subs submerge.
Now, I do see your worry and wonder whether CSub papers are built from TripleA playtesting data.
Guys, this is just silly.
Don’t you think that a CSub paper would be written under CSub rules?
We don’t write for LHTR, or TripleA, or DAAK, etc. We write for our own system because it is the simplest and most coherent.
CSub rules are only one page long, and half of that is explaining the bid. It is completely logical that we would use our own system, not someone else’s.
If you haven’t taken the time to understand the shortest rules around, then don’t be so quick to criticize.
Rules (last link):
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Caspian_Sub/files/Peace
Hmmm… didn’t know you had a rule set. Sorry to have offended you.
I don’t intend to play by them, but they your comment in the paper makes much more sense given those terms.
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Pals, better end the sex-war debate :-P All wars are bad (saving wars with plastic pieces , of course), but war of the sexes (spelling?) is the worst war of all :cry:
not if you wage it correctly :-o :wink:
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Oh, and allow me to add:
Fricking subs!
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Oh crap.
I knew I should have taken the effect to see what CSub is.Its famous enough. I know of it when I first researched about Axis and Allies (before I bought the game) but didn’t go into the site.
So I just thought CSub is all about policy papers.
1 page ruleset? Nows that amazing. I am going to check it out.
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Ah. I just googled caspian sub and its all coming back to me.
I never found out about CSub because it requires joining.Would nice if Mazer could post the ruleset here.
Did you notice NOTHING is downloadable without joining the CSub yahoo group?
Would be nice if CORE things were downloadable without joining.I wonder why its like this.
LHTR, AARe and AARHE files are all avaliable to the general public without joining anything.
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Also, you should note, that it’s a one page summary of CHANGES to the rules. It is NOT a rules set like LHTR. There’s a significant difference.
For one, someone who has never read the Revised Rules from the Box can play with the LHTR rules. You cannot play with the CSUB rules under the same circumstances.
Man was the first made in God’s image. Then God realized he made a mistake and fixed it on Human 1.1 (as we know, beta testing is always hard on the creator, there are all these bugs that have to be fixed. That’s why we go with release after beta testing. Women are the released version, men are the beta version. :P).
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Two questions:
TripleA has an edit function? Is there a newer version that 0.9.0.2?
How come CSub rules say subs submerge before the attacker can retreat, when – as has been said – LHTR rules say attacker first?
Even under LHTR, I still think UnBaltic, fleet unification, whatever you want to call it is still one of Germany’s best openings. For one, if the UK does retreat to sz8, then the US strafe of sz7 will only have a bmb. The EUS ftr can only hit sz7 if there’s a UK ac there.
A bid of 1sub in sz8 can wipe out both UK bbs – though likely at the cost of a ftr – and sorta prevents a US1 landing in Alg, but Germany doesn’t make it very far in Africa. A Baltic ac forces a smart UK player to build ftrs and can still go north or sit in the Baltic, but it doesn’t slow down Africa landings.
Another result of UK retreating to sz7 could be that G1 doesn’t involve an air purchase. If UK’s not gonna bring the fight, then this could free up money for a G1 Med ac (and trn?) purchase to meet up in sz13 on G2, or other G2 air/sea purchases.
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@Craig:
The LHTR are here. And further more, they are the basis for everything moving forward. (Yes, I have an inside line on things. 8-) )
Oooh more insider hints.
Still doesn’t fix the disappointment of LHTR 2.0 being a bit “LHTR 1.4”, yet.Did you notice NOTHING is downloadable without joining the CSub yahoo group?
Would be nice if CORE things were downloadable without joining.I wonder why its like this.
Because Mazer likes to review the posts so that things don’t turn into a “monkey dung fight”. (His words, not mine.)
Thats just posting.
Is it not possible with yahoo groups to set public access to “files” and “photos”?TripleA has an edit function? Is there a newer version that 0.9.0.2?
Yeah 0.9.1.0 unstable and 0.9.3.0 unstable.
I don’t use TripleA though.
But I try to keep up with things after I make a tiny contribution a long time ago, last year. :lol: -
I also want to speak regarding Yahell Groups.
I have run a pretty large number of them going back over the past 8 or 9 years (actually including the precursor sites that Yahell bought to create “Yahoo Groups”
Y-Groups are spam targets. The only way to block spam is to restrict posting to members.
And as far as not being able to download papers, etc…
Even on THIS open site, guests cannot download files. You have to join to be able to upload game files or to post, and you have to join to download.If you want to hammer CSub about an issue, please do not make it access to their files, etc. Joining is free and easy, and serves mostly to protect the members from being spam targets, and from spider harvesting.
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@ncscswitch:
spider harvesting.
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Spider Harvesting is having programs that scan the web looking for e-mail addresses, especially in places like web page guest books on on forums like this one an Yahell Groups.
The “spiders” go out and hunt down e-mail addys that are then sold to spammers.
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@Cmdr:
Then God realized he made a mistake …
God makes mistakes?
That would make him…human…?
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@Cmdr:
Then God realized he made a mistake …
God makes mistakes?
That would make him…human…?
well, God cant make a mistake
and to respond to your question
well, Jesus was human but sinless
without a single mistake
so all humans didnt make mistakes, even a single exception, is an exception
we ve turned away from the topic ˝frickin subs˝ :lol: :lol:
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@Cmdr:
Mazer,
You have to realize that when you take CSub rules out of CSub then you have to account for the rules everyone else uses, not just your adjustments (all of which are included or improved on by LHTR.)
I dare say 100% of the people, except you, use LHTR on this site. Maybe there’s one or two others out of the 15,000+ registered members who do not use LHTR, but the point isn’t the ratio of users to non-users, but that the vast majority of this site uses LHTR primarily, the rest use TripleA only because they like using the TripleA program.
I dislike using LHTR, as the vast majority of players I know do not use LHTR. If Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast would just make LHTR official, then I could push people to use LHTR. But Hasbro doesn’t, and I won’t.
If your papers do not work in LHTR, then expect to have them blasted out of the water on this site. If you do NOT want them blasted out of the water, I suggest you type up your rule set and then your paper so as to limit the discussion to only your rule set.
Mm . . . well, yeah, I think so. There are a few CSub papers that are specific to using CSub rules. I don’t like those papers. They’re scary. I think of hoboes when I see them. Stabby hoboes.
“Think as I think,” said a man,
“Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad.”And after I had thought of it,
I said, “I will, then, be a toad.”(hums) it ain’t easy bein’ green . . .
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@ncscswitch:
And as far as not being able to download papers, etc…
Even on THIS open site, guests cannot download files.Oh. I see. Now I know.
You can download from boardgamegeek!
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/file/download/9780/CSubP03_-_Caspian_Sub_Rules.rtfNow the uninformed like me can discuss CSub #18 properly.
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@Craig:
The LHTR are here. And further more, they are the basis for everything moving forward. (Yes, I have an inside line on things. 8-) )
To me, there is ONE basis for “everything”, and that’s the official FAQ released on the Avalon Hill website. LHTR is not on there. That’s all there is to it.
DAAK, Axis and Allies Org, the Larry Harris forum, US tournament scene - all that’s fine and good, but I really don’t give a d*** about them. As fine as all those organizations are, they do not speak for Avalon Hill.
If you’ve really got an inside line on things, Yoper, put it where it counts - get a final revision of LHTR put up on the Avalon Hill website. Then LHTR will BE official. It won’t just be “oh, it ought to be official shoulda woulda coulda blah blah balance blah blah original designer blah blah”.
BTW, I support LHTR. I think they’re fine changes, particularly with NAs (although I think they may need a bit more editing before final release). But I generally DO NOT USE LHTR.
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BTW, Cmdr Jennifer, don’t bother telling me how me and Mazer are the only ones that play OOB-variations, and how Everyone and their Mother uses LHTR.
You walk into a store, you pull out Axis and Allies Revised. At least nine times out of ten, nobody’s going to say “You got a printout of LHTR 2.0 with that?”
If you’re playing with a buncha noobs that don’t know any better and have never seen the rulebook, you can use LHTR, because they don’t know any better. But the moment one of 'em buys the game, he’s gonna have some questions about why the rulebooks look so different. Unless YOU explained LHTR to him/her. That’s how it works. People don’t know about LHTR. They just don’t.
Most people that play boardgames in the United States of America are not members of DAAK, most people in the United States don’t go to the World Boardgaming Championships. Those are pretty much given, but I am going to go farther and say that MOST PLAYERS OF AXIS AND ALLIES DO NOT USE LHTR. Substantiation?
You’re new to the game? Maybe you go on Wikipedia. No mention of LHTR there (although you DO find TripleA). Maybe you go on the Avalon Hill website. No mention of LHTR there. Only if you hit the forums a lot or attend the World Boardgaming Championships or such, or if you’re a member of DAAK or one of these other clubs that uses LHTR - only THEN do you use LHTR.
Almost two million copies of Axis and Allies Revised printed. Let’s say just 100,000 sold. Let’s also say that you have 1.5 players of Axis and Allies per board game. So that’s 150,000 players. You want to tell me that 76,000 of those players KNOW LHTR 2.0?
96 members at DAAK. Contrast that with 120 ACTIVE members at TripleA Ladder. (They just pruned their inactive members, killing my first account in the process :|) So non-LHTR beats out LHTR already for the two big online clubs that I can think of offhand.
564 members at Larry Harris Game Design forums. Let’s say each of those 564 members plays Axis and Allies Revised, doesn’t know any of the others in real life, and has six other people that they play Axis and Allies with. Even with this inflation, it’s still 3100 some people.
Okay, let’s blow up DAAK some. Multiply them by ten. So with 960 added, you have 4100 people playing LHTR.
Now let’s take the WBC. Let’s say they had . . . 640 players! More multiplication by ten. It’s a trend, why ruin a good thing?
So you’re looking at 5000 some people, and I’m already multiplying by ten all over the place. Well, although I’ve mentioned some of the major groups that play LHTR, and multiplied by ten, and assumed that NONE of the players overlap, I’ll even multiply by five again. That’s 25,000 people, and I think it’s pretty obvious that’s very likely to be considerably inflated.
If my figures are wrong, please feel free to correct them, but I still don’t see how you’re going to hit 50% of people playing by LHTR.
Unless . . . you recruit teh jenforces! :wink:
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