@Curtmungus your honor of being more famous than me is quite deserved. I salute you.
Ron Paul
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@Cmdr:
President Bush was the first president in American history to FUND stem cell research.
He’s pro-stem cell research.
Wow, what an accomplishment. No President before him has had the chance, really. But you are completely wrong. CONGRESS funded stem cell research, Presidents can only endorse it.
He’s pro-junk stem cell research, but not pro-embryonic stem cell research.
@Cmdr:
250 million dollars given to Stem Cell Research with the blessing of President Bush.
President Clinton NEVER gave even a penny to Stem Cell Research. Before Mr. Clinton, there was no stem cell research to be done. Not saying Clinton’s choice was bad. But let’s not pretend that Bush was anti-stem cell research.
He was ANTI-Cloning from stem cells. He is PRO stem cell research.
People have been working with stem cells since the 60s or so. But it hasn’t been a hope since early 2000s (i.e., not much attention until very recently).
He’s anti-embryonic, which has the most potential.
I actually have no idea how Ron Paul feels on it.
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@Guerrilla:
Dzrt, I understand that completely. I am personally not for having troops all over the world, but lets say that it is a worthwhile cause, and merely focus on the Iraq position compared to our other major outposts: Germany, Japan, Korea, Saudi Arabia, and “Bosnia” (We don’t even occupy it anymore).
We still have a task force in Kosovo, approximately 1400 men as aresult of the conflict in the former Yugoslavia. I was scheduled for a rotation to Kosovo in late 09, we’re not leaving there any time soon.
Don’t take my statements as support, I just see it as fact right or wrong. Why do we have bases and troops in Germany, Japan, etc? To project US strength and to remind the world that we are in the business of protecting our interests plain and simple. Having a permanent base(s) in Iraq is doing just that.
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I understand why we have our bases all over the world, I question the reasoning of it. And also the economic and manpower feasibility of staying there. Because even if we “protect” our interests never in a thousand years will they give up. It’s not like Germany or Japan.
GG
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Well, I’ve said before, the ecconomics will change in a couple years. Things will settle down and we will eventualy rotate a brigade (±1500 men) through a small base. We will continue to train and be trained by the future Iraqi Army and we will gain by maintaining a valueable ally in the middle east as well as keeping up on the current ideals (militarily) in that region. We know the tactics and methods of the N.Koreans, the Russians etc because of this policy. It keeps our military prepared as best as possible for what ever might be next.
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Why do we have bases and troops in Germany, Japan, etc? To project US strength and to remind the world that we are in the business of protecting our interests plain and simple. Having a permanent base(s) in Iraq is doing just that.
I don’t think Germany or Japan want attack USA in the near future … Iraq is another issue, of course…
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His point is not whether the US will attack those locations, but the presence assures US Dominance of a region in regard to local interest.
The economics might change in a couple years. But regardless of if it does or not, it has already changed our current economy and there is no saying when there will be permanent change that we cannot undue. We are seeing a recession looming, and a bad dollar, and the possibility that we are going to keep spending it, and go invade other countries? You speak only in regards to Iraq but I see no other course of action but to eventually have to occupy more in order to maintain regional stability. That will cost us more…
GG
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Yea those troops are our ‘Big Stick’ to keep bully’s away ( China, former warsaw pact, Balkans)
The Balkans and France have caused 2 world wars and many smaller wars just by themselves. We should hope to have an army in Germany to protect Europe from itself.
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@Imperious:
Yea those troops are our ‘Big Stick’ to keep bully’s away ( China, former warsaw pact, Balkans)
The Balkans and France have caused 2 world wars and many smaller wars just by themselves. We should hope to have an army in Germany to protect Europe from itself.
Your sarcasm, or lack of it, is confusing…
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@Cmdr:
President Bush was the first president in American history to FUND stem cell research.
He’s pro-stem cell research.
Wow, what an accomplishment. No President before him has had the chance, really. But you are completely wrong. CONGRESS funded stem cell research, Presidents can only endorse it.
He’s pro-junk stem cell research, but not pro-embryonic stem cell research.
@Cmdr:
250 million dollars given to Stem Cell Research with the blessing of President Bush.
President Clinton NEVER gave even a penny to Stem Cell Research. Before Mr. Clinton, there was no stem cell research to be done. Not saying Clinton’s choice was bad. But let’s not pretend that Bush was anti-stem cell research.
He was ANTI-Cloning from stem cells. He is PRO stem cell research.
People have been working with stem cells since the 60s or so. But it hasn’t been a hope since early 2000s (i.e., not much attention until very recently).
He’s anti-embryonic, which has the most potential.
I actually have no idea how Ron Paul feels on it.
You are incorrect. Embryonic does NOT have the most potential. They have a method to artificially create stem-cells and it is the artificial cells that actually have the most potential.
You are also incorrect on the funding aspect. President Bush could have vetoed the spending and Congress would NOT have had the power to over ride it. So he DID become the first president to fund it. He even CALLED for the funding, as I showed in his speech. That speech was in the first month he was in office!
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THis is Ron Paul thread not a Stem Cell thread.
A mention of stem cells was relevant to point out position statements. A debate on Stem Cells is NOT on topic.
Save it for the PD venue (I believe there was a link posted to one on another site when PD was shut down here)
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