LOL… I love that last one.
Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)
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Private Ownership but Government Control is Facist
well not really…but sort of.
Government control and ownership of key industries, while allowing private ownership and free market system in other facets of market economy. The major items: oil, cars, steel, electric power, etc are directed to develop whatever the plan of the state is (usually public works, war economy, infrastructure).
Also, unions are abolished and replaced with trade guild system where all professions under the private sector are organized and registered by the state to ensure a basic minimal efficiency. They wish to avoid the idea of people calling themselves plumbers, Electricians, and other professions and such when a week ago they were only working on a farm.
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I am tired of hearing that only liberals vote for McCain. I voted for McCain and most of my friends and family voted for McCain. I say most because some voted early when we were still supporting Fred.
I can’t understand how people think Romney can posibly be conservative.
“Women should have the right to Choose”
“We should help women break through the glass ceiling”
“I support tough gun laws”
These are all Romney positions durring the 90s
Untell the day I have enough support to run for POTUS, there will never be a perfect canidate. John McCain is all the Conservatives are going to be able to get ths year.
One last moment of zen:
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his stance on Abortion (womens right to choice [not my opinion, but how the media/polatitions puts it]) changed when he was in office, he did not sighn any legislation on this into law. he had in my words (as i can’t remmember his, but i heard him say it) a God moment where he found that it was wrong.
nether man is conservative enough. McCain is strong in conservative mind set on war only, Mitt on economy. the deciding factor for me is Mitt is ok (i would give him between a strong C or low B) on the war, well McCain is vary bad (i would give him a weak D) on economy.
Immigration, McCain is middle ground (i would give him a C), and Mitt from what i have heard him say (you can’t judge him realy on it in any other way as he had no way to prove one way or the other) is moderate (stong C) and only because i don’t trust him fully on this issue because i don’t know how he will be.
IMO this gives McCain a strong C avarage
Mitt a low B avarage.
the diffrence is that McCain has stuff on record for how he stands in votes to give him his ranking in all catagories. Mitt gets pulled down IMO because he dosn’t have the record in those issues.
McCain isn’t the better conservative IMO. Mitt isn’t great ether, but he is better. -
That’s exacly what I’m saying about Mitt, he has shown that he is willing to say one thing to get elected and then do what ever he wants. Who knows what that is? At least you know what your getting with McCain.
I think Romney is a prime example of what I don’t like about polititions. He says what ever will get him elected. Lately all I hear him say is McCain’s a jerk so vote for me 'cause I’m a nice guy and I’ll do what ever you want.
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have you ever had a moment in your life where you change your beliefes or stance on something?
i watched him get asked about this issue, and he gave IMO a good and heart felt rendition of what that moment was.
it wasn’t as McCain has done, a solid flip and give no reason for that flip. McCain is on record (i wish i knew where it was but i can’t find it any more) for saying that the Tax cuts don’t work and thats why he voted against them. but yet now he is saying they do work and that the only reason he voted against them is that they didn’t cut tax’s for the middle class and another time (or the same time i can’t recall now) he said because there was no spending cuts as well.
you can’t hold a man (or woman) accountable for a flip when they admit to the flip and can explain it, but not hold the other guy accountable for a flip when he won’t even fess up to it.
you say we know what we are getting into with McCain, yep sure do, a guy with a hot head (not always bad), sides against his party (again not always bad, accually realy good in some casses), strong millitary, is not conservative on many core issues, is strong on only have of many issues that are important to conservatives (boarder for example, he wants the fence but also amnasty), and flips but won’t admit it.
i’m not saying Mitt is the best guy ether, but i can live with Mitt, i can’t live with McCain. i have my threashold tolarance that i will adsept on what is adseptable and McCain falls bellow that. -
@Cmdr:
When the girl says that she wants to TAKE the hospitals and TAKE the pharmaceutical companies and RUN them under the control of the STATE, I think she fits the definition of socialist.
That would be preferable, but that isn’t socialism. Sorry. Have you looked up socialism recently? Might want to.
I’m sorry if that causes you to be disillusioned, but remember, to be disillusioned you would first have to be illusioned.
Time and time again we’ve seen you speak and not think. Balung sees it now, and I’ve got hope for him. But you are still up to your old antics. Thanks for making this site fun. :)
And it’s a shame Romney’s chances are slim now. He can still win, but it’s not highly likely. That means we will have two democrats running for President in November. The “compassionate conservative” democrat John McCain, in the same mold as President Bush; and Hillary Clinton, in the same mold as Joseph Stalin.
Wow, how obtuse can you get. McCain is not a Democrat. Clinton did not kill millions of people. And Stalin’s a Democrat now? Hyperbole to the max.
@Cmdr:
When I was a teenager, I listened to Rush. I remember every other week they were saying Rush was finished, his audience was leaving, yadda, yadda, yadda.
I can’t listen to him anymore, I refuse to pay and I am busy when he is on. But evidentially, he IS still on. So he must not be finished. Not if the media keeps trying to quote him with outlandish statements.
You’ve quoted (anonymously) Rush on this very site and been caught red handed. Sorry if I don’t believe you.
If you want another George W. Bush, then feel free to vote for McCain. I fought for your right to do so. I lost three vertebra and walk with a permanent limp to allow you to vote for John McCain if that is who you REALLY want.
Oh please. Take your hubris somewhere else. You didn’t do anything to protect my, or anyone’s, ability to vote. It’d be nice if you did, though.
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have you ever had a moment in your life where you change your beliefes or stance on something?
i watched him get asked about this issue, and he gave IMO a good and heart felt rendition of what that moment was.
it wasn’t as McCain has done, a solid flip and give no reason for that flip. McCain is on record (i wish i knew where it was but i can’t find it any more) for saying that the Tax cuts don’t work and thats why he voted against them. but yet now he is saying they do work and that the only reason he voted against them is that they didn’t cut tax’s for the middle class and another time (or the same time i can’t recall now) he said because there was no spending cuts as well.
you can’t hold a man (or woman) accountable for a flip when they admit to the flip and can explain it, but not hold the other guy accountable for a flip when he won’t even fess up to it.
you say we know what we are getting into with McCain, yep sure do, a guy with a hot head (not always bad), sides against his party (again not always bad, accually realy good in some casses), strong millitary, is not conservative on many core issues, is strong on only have of many issues that are important to conservatives (boarder for example, he wants the fence but also amnasty), and flips but won’t admit it.
i’m not saying Mitt is the best guy ether, but i can live with Mitt, i can’t live with McCain. i have my threashold tolarance that i will adsept on what is adseptable and McCain falls bellow that.I don’t see McCains position on the Bush Tax cut as a flip. He said originaly he thought the tax cut wasn’t good enough, but ending it efectively raises taxes which he is against.
Romney was elected governor of Mass by making promises which he now says wnet completely against as soon as he was elected. Just because he fooled the dems and turned on them last time doesn’t mean he won’t do it this time against the repubs.
I’m not here to change your mind, I’m just tired of being called a liberal. I’m a gun carrying, pro-life, pro states rights, conservative, and I voted for Bush twice and I hope to be voting for McCain with a hard right VP in November.
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never called you liberal or any McCain supporter, although the bulk of is support is not conservative.
my point on Mitt is yes he changed stances, but his reason is what i looked at. it wasn’t a political wind change, it was a change based on beliefes.
for McCain his flip is what i feel is a political wind flip. he wont even admit that it was a flip. he was against the tax cuts in his own words (not using them because i can’t remember the exact words) because they targeted the wrong people. but he also said because they don’t work. now he is saying it’s because there wasn’t a spending cut. this last bit came out because he is taking hits from conservatives because of his stance on the tax cuts.
again nether man is the best conservative, but i feel McCain based on voting record and his stance on other issues isn’t as conservative as Mitt’s record and stance on issues. also i feel the economy is more vital and important then McCain can handle or even understands. war and economy are the two biggest issues, Mitt wins with economy, McCain wins with war (by about the same amount each). where i realy draw the line is look at there stance on the other issue. McCain dose poor in economy and Mitt dosn’t have experiance with war, but atleast he is willing to say things that are good for it. McCain has voted against the economy, that hurts him.
other issues arn’t as big, but McCain IMO isn’t strong on much else other then the war. -
I didn’t mean to imply that you were lableing me, but by the definition of others here it seems I am being labled.
This is McCains Economic plan:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/0B8E4DB8-5B0C-459F-97EA-D7B542A78235.htmI’m not going to assume that because I think he’s a good guy he will fix the eccomomy, I looked at his plan and it looks good to me it makes sense and it will help me fiscaly. I’m not an eccomomy expert, but I understand logic and this looks logical to me.
Romney may be a good buisness man, but I don’t trust him. That’s what it comes down to…
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i think trust is the big issue. i don’t realy trust McCain on any thing but to be a man to push on the war.
on a sad note, Mitt it seams is dropping out. report just came up a few min ago.
meaning McCain is now in effect the R nomination unless Huck can pull a lot of votes. not a Huck fan ether. -
@Cmdr:
If you want another George W. Bush, then feel free to vote for McCain. I fought for your right to do so. I lost three vertebra and walk with a permanent limp to allow you to vote for John McCain if that is who you REALLY want.
LMAO… I love statements like this. Let me chime in with my opinion. I’m in the military because I believe everyone should do what they can for their community and I’m damn good at what I do. I have a set of gold spurs and a chest full of medals that say I am. But I’m not about to parade my sacrifice’s and claim I did it for anyone but me and the guys that were with me.
Don’t get me wrong I appreciate what other soldiers do, but I think it’s wrong to make it seem like you made a decision to “give up three vertebra” so I could vote. I’m a veteran and will fight again, but if you think I would be wiling to give up anything so some knuckle head can vote your out of your mind.
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i think trust is the big issue. i don’t realy trust McCain on any thing but to be a man to push on the war.
on a sad note, Mitt it seams is dropping out. report just came up a few min ago.
meaning McCain is now in effect the R nomination unless Huck can pull a lot of votes. not a Huck fan ether.From what I recall for Super Tuesday results, I think McCain is a surefire nominee. Even Romney had a considerable lead over Huckabee, but both couldn’t touch McCain.
@Cmdr:
If you want another George W. Bush, then feel free to vote for McCain. I fought for your right to do so. I lost three vertebra and walk with a permanent limp to allow you to vote for John McCain if that is who you REALLY want.
LMAO… I love statements like this. Let me chime in with my opinion. I’m in the military because I believe everyone should do what they can for their community and I’m damn good at what I do. I have a set of gold spurs and a chest full of medals that say I am. But I’m not about to parade my sacrifice’s and claim I did it for anyone but me and the guys that were with me.
Don’t get me wrong I appreciate what other soldiers do, but I think it’s wrong to make it seem like you made a decision to “give up three vertebra” so I could vote. I’m a veteran and will fight again, but if you think I would be wiling to give up anything so some knuckle head can vote your out of your mind.
Thank you.
And next we’ll have M36 talk about how he doesn’t care about anyone else, he just likes guns and fighting.
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there is still enough out there that McCain can still be upset. i would think of all the Romney voters left, a bulk of them will go Huck over McCain. that is my estimation atleast.
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Huckleberry is not Romney’s surrogate presidential candidate. Romney was the only conservatives choice left and now the bottom dropped out. To balance the ticket i suspect McCain will get a real conservative, who will win a state that counts like New York or California
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that was not what i ment, what i was meaning is that Huck is as i understand it closer to conservative then McCain. i haven’t looked at Huck in some time realy so i can’t say how he stands on all issues.
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I guess Jenn will be voting Democratic – Romney announced he is quitting. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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@Imperious:
Huckleberry is not Romney’s surrogate presidential candidate. Romney was the only conservatives choice left and now the bottom dropped out. To balance the ticket i suspect McCain will get a real conservative, who will win a state that counts like New York or California
Ummm, IL, news flash – California and New York are BLUE STATES that will not go Republican this cycle – or are very unlikely to do so. Certainly, adding a conservative will NOT help in those states. Exhibit A – The “Governator’s” about-face on all issues on which he was still a conservative.
Adding Huckabee, on the other hand, WILL help McCain in the South, where McCain is more likely to win IF he can carry enough of the evangelical vote, which happens to be Huckabee’s strength.
SO NCSCSWITCH LISTEN UP!!! THIS IS ME EATING CROW! I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT THAT HUCKABEE IS THE LIKELY RUNNING MATE FOR MCCAIN. I just wanted to get that out there before the bandwagon left the station. :wink: :-D
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And now it looks like the Bush Administration has picked out their new successor:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mukasey_torture
GG
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Ummm, IL, news flash – California and New York are BLUE STATES that will not go Republican this cycle – or are very unlikely to do so. Certainly, adding a conservative will NOT help in those states. Exhibit A – The “Governator’s” about-face on all issues on which he was still a conservative.
Arnold is very popular in California and most likely the most popular leader we have. Arnold would bring Calif to GOP w/o any trouble, and Latins ( mostly male Latins) love this guy. They would dump Celery in a second if Arnold was in play.
Women usually vote by appearances anyway ( Billy, Kerry, Gorey, MLEXBW, etc) and Arnold’s macho ‘thing’ will draw further women away from Celery. However, Obama has a striking appearance to them, so if he gets the nod that may change.
The fact is he is very conservative in a sea of state communists and socialists and hes a realistic person about the progress of his reforms which has endeared him to the liberals sake the far left.
And he brings youth to the ticket, because that will be brought up in the general campaign and was also a reason why Reagan tapped Bush #1 for VP, because the yea hoos are going to stick McCain in the mold of Goldwater…just like they did with Reagan and failed.
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