I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Ron Paul
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Jesus Christ jen. get over it. romney’s gonna lose, and you gotta quit pouting. McCain is very conservative. blather on all you like with hannity and rush and colter. which i like colter, anyone who calls someone a fag and doesnt care about the PC is gold in my books.
wow. McCain fiengold. bipartisan laws have to be with both parties you dig? all it said was no negative ads 30 days before election day……(bush vs McCain anyone) and also the ads have to say who funded it and who they support.
oh no how terrible. so shutup about this being all terrible. pleeeaaaasssseeee.
McCain is for illegal immigration? wow did you ever twist that, wont dignify that stupidity with a response.
He may be against abortion? Jesus H… He MAY be pro military?..no more crack.
and Ron Paul wont return campaign funds from white supremicists…the only reason the media has stayed mum on this is b/c they want him to run as a 3rd party ticket. if they let everyone know that, he wont stand a chance for 1%. and his writings…dont forget those…funny how they go hand in hand with the no return of the racists donations.
McCain liberman is for a good cause, but put in in a stupid way. its not realistic, its idealistic…damn green hippies. he was just trying to do the right thing though.
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oh and McCain was against tax cuts b/c he said middle income and lower income people need tax cuts also. he wanted them for EVERYBODY……and he wanted to cut spending to match the cuts.
sounds very conservative to me.
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i won’t reply to what you said, but i will say this.
the tone and wording you used was far from in line IMO. the way you went at it is the same kind of talk that will get this whole political debate closed down. there is a respecfull way to talk about this with out being degrading to people with opposing views to your own. -
There’s a difference between working WITH the Democrats for CONSERVATIVE legislation, and abandoning the party to side with the democrats.
Reagan worked WITH the Democrats to move the conservative agenda forward. McCain has yet to work with the Republicans, he’s abandoned the party, and now wants us to support him.
Romney’s not out yet. He got almost as many votes as McCain in Florida and he had the most votes by people who consider themselves conservative (while McCain got most of the votes from people who consider themselves liberal or moderate.)
But I want to know, Balung. If Romney gets the nomination, will you vote Democrat? You seem to dislike Romney for some reason, though the only reason I can assume is because he’s a Mormon and not a Catholic or Protestant.
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true, mormons are nice people, too nice, but i think their religion is whack. i wouldnt vote for a satanist, witch, evangelical snake worshipper, a muslim b/c their faith calls on non muslims to be subdued(read the quotes from the koran, its undeniable), a hindu b/c of its racist caste system, a unitarian, an athiest, an animist, or some others that i cant think of. oh and not a scientologist.
other than the founding fathers of mormonism being responsible for cold blooded murder. which they turned the story into a movie to come out this summer, just so if Mitt was nominated, he’d be blasted by hollywood.
that and the whole premise of the conception of mormonism is dumb. 2 sacred rocks? only he can read them? from a hat so no-one else can see? when he’s called out on it, by a smart lady, who says “hey prove it,……if the stone with the tablet in the hat says what you say it does, do it again and it should say the exact same thing…” very smart, joseph smith then had to change from the original rock saying it wouldnt work again… :roll:
but i will vote for romney before hillary…i’d think about it for a loooong time with obama, then slap myself and vote republican. and then think about it some more.
McCain has too supported republicans, he was a bush defender to show his loyalty to the party. what else did the party want? hardly any other republicans were out there stauncly defending bush.
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No, he supported the military. He has never supported Bush nor the Republican leadership. He’s actually worked to undermine and sabotage the republican leadership.
Anyway, religion does not matter to me. I’m not electing a theocrat. I am electing a conservative if I can get one, and if it’s McCain and not a conservative, I’ll find the most liberal person I can and vote them in to prevent Republicanism being labeled the Junior Leagues for the Democrat Party.
And electing McCain would basically redefine the party as liberals who are not quite fanatic enough to be members in the majors, aka the Democrats.
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please give me the fact that he supported bush all the way through. :cry:
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@JWW:
Ok, so I made it more extreme than it seems, but IMO the electoral college is obsolete. Direct vote, please. Or modification of the electoral college so that it’s not winner take all.
Yeah, then the young lads w/guns in jesus country (IOWA, Nebraska etc…) revolt because they soon realize that their votes don’t matter as they observe the massive large city pop’s drown out their voice in the political system….
A few massive states (NY, CA, FL, TX etc…) shouldn’t be able to steam roll our republic’s political system year in year out.
And each state has a direct vote.
Lastly, there have been few instances where the electoral college hasn’t performed as it was intended.
I know the pros/support for the electoral college. Some of them are good points, some of them are just ridiculous.
For instance…who cares about the states. States aren’t voting for the POTUS. People are. And the states you name are diverse enough to not have a monopoly either way.
Of course, if there are more urbanites than ruralites, then someone might complain. But their vote counted, and a majority liked Candidate A better than Candidate B. You wouldn’t have a fiasco like in 2000. If not, give out a percentage of the electoral votes at least. Then it would be fair.
I think a direct vote of the people would be better. It would change the way candidates campaign. They would have to clean it up, mean what they say, and be clear about where they are. At least, that’s what I imagine.
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please give me the fact that he supported bush all the way through. :cry:
No, he made a political move to get re-elected by supporting the military. He did not support Bush. He supported the military because he has, and is, and always will run as a war hero and war heros are expected to back the military in all regards whenever possible.
However, he has called for the closing of Gitmo (and thus our only toe-hold on Cuba) as well as the awarding of Constitutional liberties to foreign nationals and terrorists.
Not exactly backing Bush, IMHO.
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For instance…who cares about the states.
I do. The states need to be stronger, the federal govt weaker, IMO. And I still like R. Paul (staying on topic :-D) just not his isolationist views.
Haven’t heard about his connections to skin-heads? Don’t all politicos have skeletons in their closets?
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I’m not a big isolationist myself.
Any candidate we have should be willing to use the full might of the United States Military to achieve the goals of the Allied States of America (also known as the United States of America.)
However, some isolationist ideas are not really isolationist. For instance, if you want to put huge tarrifs on imported goods from China to protect workers in the USA, that’s not really isolationist. You are still accepting trade, you are just charging more for foreign goods to keep their market share lower, not cutting off trade altogether.
Another example, shutting down the bases in Germany. Do the Germans need us to protect them from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics anymore? No. Why? We won that war, the USSR does not exist. Thus, Germany does not need tens of thousands of US Soldiers and billions of dollars from the US in its country. They’re really not even pretending to be that good of an ally anymore, it would be better, cheaper and smarter to redeploy the base, the materials and the men to somewhere more efficient, say, Israel who WOULD be our good ally and we could support each other and have a base close to the hot spots in the world.
Shutting down our bases in Korea and Vietnam is the same thing. We have a big base in Japan, just redeploy there and cut costs.
Not really isolationist, more fiscally, logically and militarily more conservative.
But poor Mr. Paul only has like 2% of the vote. Honestly, I wish he would drop out, but he won’t. Romney could use the votes to put more nails in McCain’s coffin and secure the victory in February.
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@Cmdr:
However, some isolationist ideas are not really isolationist. For instance, if you want to put huge tarrifs on imported goods from China to protect workers in the USA, that’s not really isolationist. You are still accepting trade, you are just charging more for foreign goods to keep their market share lower, not cutting off trade altogether.
and then they put tariffs on our goods and then we boycott their raisins and then they raise tariffs even higher etc……not good
@Cmdr:
Another example, shutting down the bases
Agreed, good idea.
sorry honey, Mitt is DONE
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sorry honey, Mitt is DONE
Mitt… Mitt who??
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OK, this thread has crossed the line on civil discourse.
This is the ONLY warning.
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@Imperious:
sorry honey, Mitt is DONE
Mitt… Mitt who??
That’s how I feel about John.
Lord knows John won’t even get 10% of the vote in the General election. It will be Dukakis all over, only this time, we’ll be the ones with no votes and they’ll be the ones with the landslide victory.
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Well perhaps if McCain selects Arnold Schwarzenegger as VP it will be something different. You heard it first from me.
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Arnold won’t work. he dosn’t meet the criteria to be President and as the first in line to be president if McCain dies there would be no point. we know the Dems will use that against McCain if he gets the nomination (expetally if it’s Clinton inc or rather as i heard on the radio yesterday a caller called her the Shrilldabeast). Arnold would be a suicide bomb in the McCain run if as VP.
i would also like to point out that CA under the guidence of Arnold came vary close to getting socialized medicen this last week. it was ironicly shot down by the stat DEMs but not because they didn’t want it, but because of money. Arnold was pushing for it.
my point on that is that you can tell a lot about some in polatics by the political company they keep. or expetally hire.
McCain has as his National director of Hispanic outreach a man called Juan Hernandez. the guy is a pro open boarder guy and hear McCain is hiring him to work for him. the place i heard about it was hear on Glenn Beck. the interview has a few quotes, on from McCain and the other from Hernandez. -
Exactly the thought I had, Perv. Arnold is not a naturally born American and thus cannot be President, unless, like in Demolition Man, we amend the Constitution to let him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain doesn’t ask Obama to be his Vice President. They have a lot of common ground between them and it would secure to black caucus and may even destroy Hillary’s bid for the White House. This, of course, assumes that Obama loses on Super Tuesday.
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Arnold won’t work. he doesn’t meet the criteria to be President and as the first in line to be president if McCain dies there would be no point.
This is not true exactly…. Arnold can still be VP and if the president dies the job passes to the sec of state which will be Rudy G. Thank you very much!
Arnold turned around California and got alot of change done with the freeking state is full of wackos and old hippies who hate his philosophy. But the people love him and the Latins will vote for him over anybody else because they view him as macho and thats important for Latinos for some reason.
I already checked… Arnold is good to go.
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Dunno if Arnold would fly, even if he cannot succeed to President, people will still view him as the de facto President in Waiting.
I guess if McCain did something smart, reconciled with Romney, and asked him to VP so at least he could have one conservative on the ticket.
But, given McCain’s history of actions, it seems more likely he’ll team up with a Democrat. He has on every piece of legislation he’s pushed for in the Senate, why would he do something different when running for President?
I see a McCain-Obama vs Hillary-Edwards or McCain-Lieberman vs Hillary-Bill (no rule saying that a former president cannot be VP you know)
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