Why I think Aircraft need fixing.

[Jinx1527]

Hehe yep!
All that and no rules.

If I suggest rules; you just think of ways they don’t work or why the existing system is better. Well I bash my head enough doing that with HBG, so I’ll let you figure if it works or not.

But here are some thoughts; decrease cost, combat values of fighters by a third. Make fighters shite against anything else but air. Say 6 vs Air, 2 & 1 against Land and Sea.
Allow scramble over land and sea, no cap to amount.

Allow land or sea units to target air at a reduced value of 2 & 3.

If Aircraft combat anything without being supported by land or sea, they can only do one round of combat before retreating.

That’s it.

[Munck]

@Jinx1527:

Well I bash my head enough doing that with HBG, so I’ll let you figure if it works or not.

So, you discussed this with HBG?
What did they say?

[Jinx1527]

@Munck:

@Jinx1527:

Well I bash my head enough doing that with HBG, so I’ll let you figure if it works or not.

So, you discussed this with HBG?
What did they say?

Bless their grey hairs.  :-P
“People are used to it this way, don’t rock the boat.”

[baron Münchhausen]

Hi Jinx

Here is the best I came to think about concerning all these issues.
IMO, using D12 allows a lot of room to improve the air combat.
I provided a guideline for cost 6 Tank strength, IMO this can be easily adjust to fit within Ground and Naval units.

The two basic units which are going to be changed:

FIGHTER
Attack 4
Defense 5
Move 4-5
Cost 6
More versatile on Sea / Air / Land but have a lower offensive and defensive punch than Tank, and is unable to conquer land territory by itself while being directly vulnerable to AAA unit and other Fighters.
Hits are allocated to aircraft units first, then AAA.

TACTICAL BOMBER
Attack 5-6
Defense 4
Move 4-5
Cost 7, allows to pick any ground unit as casualty.
Vulnerable to Fighters and AAA in regular combat but allows to pick costlier ground units, like Tank or AAA.

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This is a summary of main units revised special abilities:

ANTI-AIRCRAFT ARTILLERY A0 D4 M1 Cost 4, 1 hit,
Each round, up to 4 preemptive defense @1 against up to 4 planes, whichever the lesser, works lowest rate (1 out D12s) and can defend each combat round.
Stop any blitz, and defend itself @4 against enemy’s ground units, if no attacking air unit is present.
Can move during combat move phase, can be taken as casualty (owner’s choice).

TANK A7 D7 M2 Cost 6
Can Blitz
Allow Mechanized Infantry or Mechanized Artillery to Blitz on 1 on 1 basis or a 1:1:1 basis.
Gives +1A/D to Mechanized Artillery when paired 1:1 with

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FIGHTER A4 D5 M4-5, same in SBR Cost 6

Air combat unit, Fighter as an Air Superiority aircraft:
All hits are allocated to aircraft units first, if any available, then AAA, and finally other kind of units.
Gives +1 Attack to any 1 Tactical bomber when paired 1:1.
Fighter as part of an extended Air Defense System when AB is operational:
Up to 3 Fighter units receive either:
+1 Defense if protecting a territory with an operational Air Base, or
+1 Move to scramble from Air Base.
SBR/TcBR Attack @4, Defend @5, or even Defend @6 for up to 3 Fgs if an operational Air Base is present.
Can scramble in adjacent SZs or TT up to 3 Fgs: up to three 3 Fgs keep defending @5.

TACTICAL BOMBER A5-6 D4 M4-5 Cost 7
Combined Arms bonus with Fighter : get +1 Attack when paired 1:1.
Tactical Bomber as a “Dive Bomber” and “Tank Buster”: allows to pick any ground unit as  casualty.
Up to 3 TcBs (or 3 Fgs) units received : +1 Move to scramble from Air Base.)

SBR/TcBR Attack @3, defend @2
Allowed to do escort mission of Strategic Bomber without doing Tactical Bombing Raid on Air Base or Naval Base,
Can do NightFighter interception mission on defense,
TcBR damage: 1D6.

I would allow 3 types of defensive maneuvers for aircraft.

DEFENSIVE MANEUVERS allowed for 2 or 3 types of aircraft:

• Aerial Retreat for attacking planes (all aircrafts can retreat while letting ground units pursuing battle),

• Limited Aerial Withdrawal of 1 space in a friendly territory is allowed any round after the first combat round for defending planes up to 2 StBs or 2 TcBs or 2 Fgs.

• Limited landing in a just conquered territory (which includes at least 1 ground unit): 2 planes (either Fighter or Tactical Bomber), as long as each units can provide 1 extra movement point for this special landing.

[baron Münchhausen]

Ok.
You can forget about what I suggested. You were into a much more develop and detailed approch. I read a glimpse of it on ANZAC player’s aid.
A lot of steps to keep care of all situations.
You put a lot into this congratulations for reaching the end.
I hope people will like.

[Jinx1527]

@Baron:

Ok.
You can forget about what I suggested. You were into a much more develop and detailed approch. I read a glimpse of it on ANZAC player’s aid.
A lot of steps to keep care of all situations.
You put a lot into this congratulations for reaching the end.
I hope people will like.

Thank you. It’s been playtested thouroughly, and I had a willing playtesters to help me work out the flaws.

It is complex initially, but becomes self evident later. The learning of a new system and the breaking away from the precedent means that it gamers probably will not be pick it up.

But I just wanted to post it on the forums, for posterity for future gamers.

[baron Münchhausen]

And where are the rules for air combat?

[Jinx1527]

@Baron:

And where are the rules for air combat?

Written up, but a bit of a wall of text.
I may eventually put it into a PDF with a couple illustrations and put it up as well.

[EBard5]

I’d be interested in seeing what rules you’ve come up with. I too feel air power is not well represented in the game and have been working on a bunch of new approaches to try to fix it. All untested at this point but I’m pretty excited about some of the ideas I’ve come up with.

I was writing up a long post with details and then hit the wrong button and lost it, but I will try again later to write it up and share.

[baron Münchhausen]

@EBard:

I’d be interested in seeing what rules you’ve come up with. I too feel air power is not well represented in the game and have been working on a bunch of new approaches to try to fix it. All untested at this point but I’m pretty excited about some of the ideas I’ve come up with.

I was writing up a long post with details and then hit the wrong button and lost it, but I will try again later to write it up and share.

Posting a wall paper in forum is a risky business…
Feel very sorry for you.
:| :cry: :| :x :-(

[Jinx1527]

@EBard:

I’d be interested in seeing what rules you’ve come up with. I too feel air power is not well represented in the game and have been working on a bunch of new approaches to try to fix it. All untested at this point but I’m pretty excited about some of the ideas I’ve come up with.

I was writing up a long post with details and then hit the wrong button and lost it, but I will try again later to write it up and share.

EBard!

I really like your shapeways page and i use your commanders for my games. Very nice!

Shame about losing your post, it happens to me alot too, sometimes hitting back can save it, other times its gone for good. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for when you rewrite it!

I’ve got the rules somewhere. I’ll post them up eventually.