his voting record is good. whats not agreeable with putting the guard on the border and making it secure first. i agree with him, we cant have a huge campaign to knock down peoples doors to drag away illegals. those who are caught with our system as is, fine send them back, i’m all for it. its unamerican to kick in peoples doors while they are eating dinner to drag off their parents. and it might hurt the economy.
second, he’s been a fighter pilot and a captain of a naval ship. and his strong position for more troops when it was very unpopular in 2004-06 shows he knows his stuff. he’d be the best for foreign policy and for defense bar none.
at home the only thing i dont like is his vote for the campaign finance law. but i really dont know much about it. anyone know and care to elighten me? other than that, what has he voted for that really gets conservatives mad at him. is there anything at all?
That’s his speaking record, Balung. His voting record are two amnesty bills, votes against tax reductions, votes against defining marriage as man+woman, votes against limiting abortions to those only needed to save the life of mother or in the case of rape or incest, etc.
I’m not saying I agree with all of those initiatives, or disagree with all of those initiatives. Just pointing out that his voting record is not exactly conservative.
he is for securing the border right now. and he’s wise for amnesty, how i our right minds can we get rid of all illegals, it would be barbaric for one thing, and it would be very bad for the economy. maybe he doesnt want to hurt america.
he was against tax cuts for the filthy rich. i wouldnt mind an extra 1-2% on them. they do already pay most however which sucks, but thats what he voted against, he just didnt want to make the already filthy rich even more rich. why do they need more money in tax breaks?
he voted against man and woman marriage b/c that would also discredit civil unions, which he and i are for. so its not like he’s pro gay marriage, he just wants them to be able to have civil unions. (basically marriage by judge).
for the abortions, if the child is shown to have no brain in it, or have half a heart and would die anyways immediately, i would let the woman choose. i am against her choosing for rape however b/c i dont see it as the childs fault. incest i dont see it as the childs fault either, but its gross. i am for abortions to save the life of the mother, no one can give her a death sentence, but even if its 60-40 in favor that she might die or have medical problems i would still want her and would like it if she toughed it out with courage for her child, but i wouldnt make her.
so i think McCain if he did vote that way on abortions only did it b/c it said nothing about grossly disfigured(so bad the kid will die) or for kids who are severly handicapped in some way. and i’m talking super duper handicapped. no passes for murdering kids with downs syndrome, those kids are great.
he is for securing the border right now. and he’s wise for amnesty, how i our right minds can we get rid of all illegals, it would be barbaric for one thing, and it would be very bad for the economy. maybe he doesnt want to hurt america.
he was against tax cuts for the filthy rich. i wouldnt mind an extra 1-2% on them. they do already pay most however which sucks, but thats what he voted against, he just didnt want to make the already filthy rich even more rich. why do they need more money in tax breaks?
he voted against man and woman marriage b/c that would also discredit civil unions, which he and i are for. so its not like he’s pro gay marriage, he just wants them to be able to have civil unions. (basically marriage by judge).
for the abortions, if the child is shown to have no brain in it, or have half a heart and would die anyways immediately, i would let the woman choose. i am against her choosing for rape however b/c i dont see it as the childs fault. incest i dont see it as the childs fault either, but its gross. i am for abortions to save the life of the mother, no one can give her a death sentence, but even if its 60-40 in favor that she might die or have medical problems i would still want her and would like it if she toughed it out with courage for her child, but i wouldnt make her.
so i think McCain if he did vote that way on abortions only did it b/c it said nothing about grossly disfigured(so bad the kid will die) or for kids who are severly handicapped in some way. and i’m talking super duper handicapped. no passes for murdering kids with downs syndrome, those kids are great.
SLAM, THUD, CRASH…hear moaning and a sigh…
That was me, falling out of my chair when I read this post. Can’t believe that I agree with some things POLITICAL…errr, I mean current events, that I can agree with B-loaf on. Damn I need to buy a new chair.
We need to delete this thread now! Call DJensen at home, on his cell, lock this thread. I’m officially scared. Has the world stopped spinning? Can pigs now fly? I need a drink.
How to get rid of the illegals is pretty easy in my mind. Go grab some big name companies and arrest their entire Human Resources staff for hiring illegals. Make a big huge public spectacle out of it. Make a lesson out of them. Strip them of all their worldly possessions and imprison them for long periods of time. (You can quietly reduce those sentences later if you want too.) Once the business world gets wise that law enforcement will be enforcing the laws, they’ll stop hiring illegals. Once they can’t get jobs, they’ll go home voluntarily or starve.
Sure, there will be some crying on television, some heart breaking reports of cute children who are sick, or hungry, or whatever by the media (because it will sell advertisement, not because they really care.) But the result will be the same.
Now, if McCain supports THAT, and stops the idea of some silly wall that won’t stop anything, I’ll pay attention to him.
well i’m still for shipping off the ones who get caught now. just i dont want to see a huge campaign to go after them, just slowly but surely, and those who are caught have to go. thats why they are still called illegal.
not only a wall, but the guard there also. thats basically militarization of the border, and with the way things are right now, i wouldnt mind. the wall would only stop people if there are guards watching the wall……with guns.
and JWW :evil: HAHAHAHA!
it still looks as if McCain will win s.carolina.
What about michigan…did anyone else hear that the daily kos wants liberals(democrats dont go to the dailykos) to go and vote for romney to keep him in the race. little sinister plots all over the place.
I actually heard that the democrats are asking people in Michigan not to vote. Since Hillary is the only one on the ticket in Michigan, if they went to vote, it would be for a republican. And odds are, they’d vote for McCain since he’s the most liberal republican on the ticket.
Anyway, I don’t want to go on a witch hunt to catch Illegals. Take down the employers and dry up the resources that the illegals use to survive, and they’ll pay for themselves to leave. Cheaper, more efficient, and it does not tie up our police, courts or jails.
It is a shame that no candidate has that ultra pragmatic position on illegals… Draconian enforcement against employers who hire illegals… problem solved, and the illegals go home at their own expense. Not even Tancredo who is now out of the race embraced that simple, practical and REVENUE GENERATING solution.
I know, and I’m not on the ballot, so you can’t vote for me either. :P
is there any bet place˝ with odds for the present candidates for the upcoming elections
somehow i personally think that Senator Mccain will win this elections
we could if given permission make two polls. one for each party and have people ether vote on who they want to win in that party or better who they think will win the party nomination.
then when we have that in a few months we can do the same for pres.
I think the odds makers still have Hillary as the favorite, though she pays better than she once did :wink:
I have to be honest… as a mostly conservative Libertarian, I do not see anyone beating Hillary for 2008. McCain would be the most likely to do so, but with him not gaining the “knock out” blow early against the other Republicans, that trashed his chance to beat her.
Too many folks think that “Clinton” means a return to the prosperity of the 1990’s, not realizing that Hillary is NOT Bill…
i’d put my money on people remembering hillary from the 90’s and all the rediculous offending statements she has had.
most people would see her as the devil, and her running could only help the republicans. its been their strategy for some time.
i ve just jumped to wikipedia to see about the elections and i ve found that among few most exponed candidates are one Croat-in the democratic lines and one Black man in republican lines-
and i ve started to read a little about Senator Mccains life, and i must say his biography is impresive, he is if we see exp the man with most who could run your country as i see it,
thats all from me
for now
and i like the idea about poll, but i would like to find some ˝true poll˝ standings, there must be some English betting house with odds for it, they had odds posted when the pope was to be elected so…
Actually, I think Mitt is carrying the most delegates, he just hasn’t won any states yet. Remember, this is the primary, the states don’t go 100% for the winner, they can (and I believe most do) split based on percentages of the votes.
@Cmdr:
Actually, I think Mitt is carrying the most delegates, he just hasn’t won any states yet. Remember, this is the primary, the states don’t go 100% for the winner, they can (and I believe most do) split based on percentages of the votes.
in any case it will be an interesting (pre)election and election campaign this year :wink:
@Cmdr:
Actually, I think Mitt is carrying the most delegates, he just hasn’t won any states yet.
Actually he did win the Wyoming Caucuses. He came in second in both Iowa and New Hampshire.
Okay. I was unaware he won a primary. Thing is, he doesn’t need to win any states, he just needs to have the most delegates when the smoke clears. Just like the President doesn’t need to win the popular vote, he just needs the most electoral votes at the end of the game. (I say he, because I honestly don’t think Mrs. Bill Clinton has a chance of winning. To the contrary, I think that if she does get nominated, then the Republicans will get the White House again.)
I know that Hillary has some SERIOUS negatives, and Gods know that I do not want her in the White House. However… What are the Republicans putting up against her?
Huckabee? A Baptist Minister? OK, you win the South, but you lose New England, the West Coast and the Mid West… Election Democrats.
Romney? A Mormon? You LOSE the South, New England, the West Coast, the Mid West, and half of the Great Plains.
Guiliani? An Authoritarian Pro War Social Liberal? You lose the South, most of New England, the Mid West and the Pacific Coast.
McCain is the only hope the Republicans have… And I have to be honest, I hate that fact, because McCain is NOT my kind of moderate Republican… Truth be told, I would almost rather vote Hillary and hope that Bill can keep her from being TOO insane…
I think you are giving too much stock to Hillary and you are weighing a person’s religion way too heavily.
At worst, their religious beliefs will be canceled by Hillary being a woman, bring them on a level playing field there.
Now, factor in why Hillary cried when she was losing the election, but not when Clinton cheated on her, not when we were attacked on 9/11, not when discussing dieing soldiers, etc. Why only for the election? We all know THAT will be used against her if she is nominated.
Also factor in that Hillary was the original champion of socialist health care and she failed.
Factor in that Hillary was already co-President for 8 years.
Factor in that the new generation doesn’t WANT the Vietnam generation in the White House anymore and will vote for just about anyone to get them out and one of our generation in this time around. Most of the elderly do not look back on the Clintons favorably and most of the younger generations don’t remember what the Clintons did that was so great, other then redefining sex so it didn’t include oral sex anymore. The only generation gunning for her are the baby boomers and they are out numbered. Not only out numbered but they are almost all, exclusively, busy working and probably won’t go to the polls anyway, while our generation are mostly students and younger employees who don’t take naps over the lunch hour because they are energetic, not decreppiled and ready to retire, if only they could count on retirement accounts!
Sure, Huckabee’s a Baptist. So what? Kennedy was a Catholic and he was elected. Romney’s a Mormon, and if he lets the campaign revolve around his religion he might have speed bumps, but he’s still more electable then Hillary is.
If the Dems want the White House, then they need to put the Black Man in there. Hillary will NOT carry the Soccer Mom vote. Bill did because the Soccer Moms wanted to have sex with him! Hillary isn’t that attractive anymore, actually, she’s kind of old looking. I think she has her right niche in the Senate, she should stay there where she can represent 1% of America’s interest.
Obama at least is newer. Sure, he played the Chicago election game, with all the inherent overt and covert scandals that includes to get elected to the Senate, and sure, he never finished a single term as senator, but he’s part of our generation, he’s a minority, he can carry the negro vote and he can keep the democrats loyal to their own party after this fiasco of a congress/senate they have given us.
Remember, people are getting down right sick of the Democrats right now. Over 70% of people (close to 78% last time I looked) are not in favor of the democrats. (Congress’ approval ratings are below 22%, since Congress is the Democrat Party right now, I correlated them. Just like the White House is the Republicans with a 37% approval rating.)
