A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Can Russia take pro-Allies neutrals before DOW?
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Scenario: Germany has attacked strict neutrals, but its only round 2 and Russia is NOT at war with Germany/Italy.
So, can Russia take these now pro-Ally neutrals now? Or does it have to wait for round 4 or a German DOW?
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It must wait until it’s in the war and part of the Allies. Until then, they are just as neutral as those countries were before they were attacked.
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They could take Mongolia in your scenario but that would just be goofy because Mongolia would still be a strict neutral. They can’t move anything out of Russia anywhere on the Europe side until they are at war with the European Axis.
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Thank you, guys. That is what we thought but its our first time in this scenario and wanted to be sure.
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Usually its best to have a Russian guy in Caucasus or mobile at Volgo to take NWP in anticipation of war, if you forget to activate these territories, they cant be blitz’d/NCM’d through at all (you must stop to gain control).
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They could take Mongolia in your scenario but that would just be goofy because Mongolia would still be a strict neutral. They can’t move anything out of Russia anywhere on the Europe side until they are at war with the European Axis.
I don’t think this is right. They (almost) never become pro-Axis but they can become pro-Allies. So in the scenario outlined, USSR could activate the Mongolian territories it can reach by doing a DOW on Japan.
@Pac:
The Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and
Buyant-Uhaa) will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union. Also, if Japan attacks
any Soviet-controlled territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories that are still strict neutral
or pro-AlliesThere is nothing in there that says they aren’t included in going pro-Allies with an Axis neutral crush.
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They could take Mongolia in your scenario but that would just be goofy because Mongolia would still be a strict neutral. They can’t move anything out of Russia anywhere on the Europe side until they are at war with the European Axis.
I don’t think this is right. They (almost) never become pro-Axis but they can become pro-Allies. So in the scenario outlined, USSR could activate the Mongolian territories it can reach by doing a DOW on Japan.
@Pac:
The Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and
Buyant-Uhaa) will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union. Also, if Japan attacks
any Soviet-controlled territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories that are still strict neutral
or pro-AlliesThere is nothing in there that says they aren’t included in going pro-Allies with an Axis neutral crush.
You’re right Simon. For some reason I thought that they were separate from the other strict neutrals.
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Actually Mongolia can go pro Axis. The only situation I can see it goes like this, some allied nation attacks a strict neutral triggering all strict neutrals to go pro-Axis. USSR breaks Mongolian Defense Pact and attacks Japanese territory. Under G40 rules, if USSR breaks the pact, Mongolia becomes a strict neutral thus in this situation, Mongolia is now Pro-Axis.
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@Caesar:
Actually Mongolia can go pro Axis. The only situation I can see it goes like this, some allied nation attacks a strict neutral triggering all strict neutrals to go pro-Axis. USSR breaks Mongolian Defense Pact and attacks Japanese territory. Under G40 rules, if USSR breaks the pact, Mongolia becomes a strict neutral thus in this situation, Mongolia is now Pro-Axis.
The rule above states that they will never become pro-Axis unless attacked by USSR. Breaking the pact doesn’t change that.
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I believe then the rules directly say two different things because I am pretty sure USSR attacking Japan triggers Mongolia to go outright neutral.
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I think you should re read the rules. They’re clear.
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