T2 Playoff JWW vs wheatbeer BM

[666]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Ulaanbaatar
                  Japanese take Ulaanbaatar from Russians
            1 armour moved from Amur to Buyant-Uhaa
                  Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians
            1 armour moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 artillery moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 marines moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 marines moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shensi
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to Chahar
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to Shan State

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 carriers, 3 destroyers, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 3 marines
                ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/6 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC and 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from ANZAC with 2 battleships, 2 cruisers and 2 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shan State, round 2 :  3/6 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shensi, round 2 :  5/8 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Shensi, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Chahar
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 2 :  1/5 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Chahar, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Chahar
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Chahar
                Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Manchuria
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Anhwe
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan
            1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
            3 marines moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kwangsi
            1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Manchuria
            2 infantry placed in Japan
            2 carriers, 3 destroyers and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 66 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
            Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag, 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Korea : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
    Kiangsu : 1 flag
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Hainan : 1 harbour
    Shensi : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Hunan : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Hopei : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag, 1 armour
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Shan State : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 3 marines
    Borneo : 1 flag
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Guam : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 infantry
    Sakha : 1 flag
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Amur : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag
    Buryatia : 1 flag
    French Indo China : 1 flag
    Celebes : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Java : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Sumatra : 1 flag
    41 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    37 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
    6 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 3 destroyers, 1 submarine and 2 transports
    Buyant-Uhaa : 1 flag
    Ulaanbaatar : 1 flag, 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 50 / 63
    Russians : 21 / 30
    Japanese : 66 / 74
    Americans : 52 / 75
    Chinese : 4 / 6
    British : 31 / 40
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 9
    Italians : 15 / 16
    ANZAC : 10 / 13
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[666]

It has been ten days brother, everything ok?

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - Americans
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  8/10 hits

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[wheatbeer]

I apologize for the delay. Kept getting distracted … will do my best to play at a more normal pace since this is part of a playoff.

Also, I apologize for this dice. My plan was to suicide the Americans so the UK and/or ANZAC could mop up the SZ.

Japan might end up defending equally well, but before I keep rolling, I need OOL.

(I am not sure if you want to save any carriers undamaged or if the American dice makes that too risky)

[666]

@wheatbeer:

I apologize for the delay. Kept getting distracted … will do my best to play at a more normal pace since this is part of a playoff.

Also, I apologize for this dice. My plan was to suicide the Americans so the UK and/or ANZAC could mop up the SZ.

Japan might end up defending equally well, but before I keep rolling, I need OOL.

(I am not sure if you want to save any carriers undamaged or if the American dice makes that too risky)

a suicide runs that hits 8-10, well isn’t that nice!  :roll:

[wheatbeer]

9 of 11 counting sub hit  :oops:

If this ends up being a 1% type of battle (which seems pretty likely), I am open to some kind of dice mitigation (i.e. a low luck reroll or a similar solution).

[666]

@wheatbeer:

9 of 11 counting sub hit  :oops:

If this ends up being a 1% type of battle (which seems pretty likely), I am open to some kind of dice mitigation (i.e. a low luck reroll or a similar solution).

Didn’t you bring that concept out a few years ago? I remember liking it, especially now! LOL, each side could request one or two re rolls?

[666]

the funny thing is I had a dd block and then said no, he wouldn’t……

[wheatbeer]

I used to offer an this whenever these situations arise since sometimes one anomalous battle can determine a game. I’m a fan of solutions like this since G40 is so time intensive to end on luck. Not sure when the last time I had luck quite this good was  :lol:

I’m not sure if you’d want to put a threshold on it like <1% or <5% chance of result, or if you just want to have a set number to use for any battle.

[666]

@wheatbeer:

I used to offer an this whenever these situations arise since sometimes one anomalous battle can determine a game. I’m a fan of solutions like this since G40 is so time intensive to end on luck. Not sure when the last time I had luck quite this good was  :lol:

I’m not sure if you’d want to put a threshold on it like <1% or <5% chance of result, or if you just want to have a set number to use for any battle.

I am at your mercy and would be acceptable to whatever you think would be agreeable and am quite thankful for your offer. I do recall some people who were opposed to this stating that it allows for one side to push the envelope or something like that…anyways, do what you think is best and again thank you so much for the offer. I will await your decision.

[wheatbeer]

I would propose we each start with 2 (can increase later by mutual agreement if needed), and they can be used for any battle (whether the user is the attacker or defender) with the exception of capitals.

An attacking power can only use a low luck reroll on a capital city battle if they had a 90% or greater chance of capturing it with pure luck dice.
A defending power can only use a low luck reroll on a capital city battle if they had a 90% or greater chance of holding it with pure luck dice.

I only add an exception for capitals because they’re the most determining part of the game and they need some limit, or else a 60% pure luck chance at Moscow could become a guaranteed win.

If that’s okay, let me know … then let me know about OOL for the first round (after all, it’s still possible that Japan will have an equally crazy defense roll, and you might not even need the reroll).

[666]

@wheatbeer:

I would propose we each start with 2 (can increase later by mutual agreement if needed), and they can be used for any battle (whether the user is the attacker or defender) with the exception of capitals.

An attacking power can only use a low luck reroll on a capital city battle if they had a 90% or greater chance of capturing it with pure luck dice.
A defending power can only use a low luck reroll on a capital city battle if they had a 90% or greater chance of holding it with pure luck dice.

I only add an exception for capitals because they’re the most determining part of the game and they need some limit, or else a 60% pure luck chance at Moscow could become a guaranteed win.

If that’s okay, let me know … then let me know about OOL for the first round (after all, it’s still possible that Japan will have an equally crazy defense roll, and you might not even need the reroll).

yeah this is good with me, you have really thought this out! MY OOL would be to save one full CV w/two fighters to the end, otherwise MAX D

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3 with Combat Move First, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - Americans
            1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  8/10 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  8/15 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                    2 destroyers owned by the Japanese, 1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese, 3 carriers owned by the Americans and 2 carriers owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  3/10 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  7/10 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the Japanese, 1 cruiser owned by the Americans, 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese and 4 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 cruiser in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  2/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  2/7 hits
                    1 battleship owned by the Americans, 1 fighter owned by the Japanese, 1 cruiser owned by the Americans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in 37 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport in 37 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/5 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Americans and 1 battleship owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from Japanese, taking Sumatra from Japanese with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -31
                Casualties for Americans: 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 submarine
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers

Non Combat Move - Americans

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[wheatbeer]

Surprisingly, the American result ended up pretty close to average for a large naval battle.

-31 rather than -41

Low luck would probably yield a similar result. I am guessing since it worked out within 10 TUV, you’d want to save your rerolls?

Just making sure since it affects UK (apologies in advance for the delay).

[666]

@wheatbeer:

Surprisingly, the American result ended up pretty close to average for a large naval battle.

-31 rather than -41

Low luck would probably yield a similar result. I am guessing since it worked out within 10 TUV, you’d want to save your rerolls?

Just making sure since it affects UK (apologies in advance for the delay).

ok, let me take a look. I promised myself only two games at a time this year and I have 4 already….

[666]

I think after you throw everything at the Japan fleet it will be gone regardless, but my chances of inflicting the most damage on allied material would be realized if I initiated our low luck re-roll option. I agree w/your analysis, the USA v JPN low luck re roll might not save Jpn much but that is one additional dice cast when the UK and then Anzac attack so what the hell…let’s do it.

[wheatbeer]

Ok doke

I’m going to finish up a turn in another game, then I’ll roll it out.

Same OOL? Or would you like to call it round by round?

[wheatbeer]

(or you could roll it out if you want … the American OOL will simply be max damage because I know I’ll have no survivors on low luck)

[wheatbeer]

Okay, I’m going to assume same OOL for expediency’s sake.

[wheatbeer]

SZ37 r1

Americans
3 carrier, 1 sub, 2 dd, 2 cru, 4 fig, 1 bb, 1 strat

= 0 + 2 + 4 + 6 +12 +4 +4 = 32 = 5 hits r2

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

Japanese
3 carrier, 2 dd, 2 cru, 3 tact, 3 fig, 2 bb

= 6 + 4 + 6 + 9 + 12 + 8 = 45 = 7 hits r3

Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (1)