• Back to the strategy….I stated there are variances to the purchases depending on what transpires. UK Taranto means less resources for Germany to take Sea Lion. Taranto means a full scramble to inflict max damage on UK, this will only delay by a round the Italian strategy however UK will never be a threat again during the game. I’ll take that. No Taranto and Italy has to be vigilant as UK can exploit an Italian error.

    NOOOOO US at war till turn 4, this is a key
    NOOOOO DOW with Russia, make Russia declare war on Germany
    Convoy raiding and strat bombing UK starting turn 2 is a key
    Japan drives hard without bringing the US into the war, make the UKP do the DOW, now no penalty to Japan for going hog wild
    Japan neuters the ANZAC from all that income and Sydney is now in play
    Japan drives towards Moscow turn 1, so Japan will do a DOW against Russia…chase the far East forces or crush the Amur stack

    There is no way a US player can ignore the Japanese. They will have to choose…split your economy and you are doomed

    Turn 8 game should be clear enough as to who will win the game by turn 10 game should be over.

    In many posts I have stated that UK Navy is not represented well, Russia not being able to attack Finland or doing a DOW on Germany an oversight.

    there are other issues too…like DD and Strat bombers being way to overpowered. I also like the idea of a DD vs SS to be on a 1 to 1 ratio. Convoy raiding done in a completely different way, Nation specific National Advantages and unit progression and Tech (working with Siredblood on this)

    My house rules game has a Strategic war and a tactical war (Supplies and fuel). My unit in the Gulf War would be nothing without the Log Trains behind us to feed the Beast.


  • Ichabod….I am talking a about UK turtling to prevent Sea Lion…so yeah…my whole point is the UK must not stack London…realize you will lose your capital… now place units to be the nuisance …UK can not prevent Sea Lion

  • '17

    @Leatherneckinlv:

    Ichabod….I am talking a about UK turtling to prevent Sea Lion…so yeah…my whole point is the UK must not stack London…realize you will lose your capital… now place units to be the nuisance …UK can not prevent Sea Lion

    Germany can get London if it wants to but still lose the game. The UK should be able to neuter Italy and turtle in its capital.

    What do you mean by UK “must not stack London?” I always do at least 6 inf / 1 fig on UK1 placed on London. Why wouldn’t you?

  • '17

    Lets play. I’m off work right now. I’ll take allies for 16. 1 fighter to Scotland, 1 sub to SZ98. UK1 I’ll do a standard 6/1 instead of 9 inf on London.


  • What’s 16 mean?


  • Is this not an OOB set up discussion? If it’s not……then my strategy is based on OOB…no bids

  • '19 '17 '16

    @Leatherneckinlv:

    Is this not an OOB set up discussion? If it’s not……then my strategy is based on OOB…no bids

    You’re saying Axis can usually win OOB, no bid? Not controversial.


  • @Leatherneckinlv:

    Italy:
    Turn 1 APA (10 ipc)
    Turn 2 AB and all SS (from 18 to 28 ipc)
    Turn 3 AB and  all SS (33 plus IPC
    turn 4 all SS (35 plus ipc)

    May I ask how you get Italy to that much money that quickly?  I’m used to 16-18 ipc at the end of round 1, if Germany strafes Yugoslavia and leaves Southern France.  Britain always cleans up one of the Italian armies in Africa when I play (usually Ethiopia, if he’s being conservative), round 2 would be not much more, maybe 2 for Greece, 1-2 more in Africa, and probably lose 1 or even 2 there)

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    I call it Italy’s 20 IPC bracket…

    If they’re above it… they’re doing okay,
    If they’re below it… they’re in big trouble.


  • It’s collecting 2 to 3 NO’s plus income for Italy….Playing a game as we speak…turn 1 Income was 18
    I will collect another 4 IPC’s on NO next turn but wont get the 3rd…had Tobruk done to me…so No North Africa

  • '17

    @Leatherneckinlv:

    Is this not an OOB set up discussion? If it’s not……then my strategy is based on OOB…no bids

    Ok cool. Well, no bid games do occur; especially in some table top groups. It’s great for people new to the game just learning. I thought you were referring to as if it’s played with moderately to very experienced players.


  • With so many of the games gone to bid or balance mod in order to make the matches fair for equal opponents, I like it when these strategies can be applied to non-OOB rules.  I also don’t like plans that assume that the other player is low skilled and your armies can just obliterate all opposition.  Assuming that Italy will conquer N. Africa on turn 3 is an atypical outcome even when the Allies know that Sealion is coming.


  • No discussion for a while now…

    Any new conclusions about this strategy?

    What’s about an airbase at Gibraltar and moving Egypt fleet west? Yet, I guess there was this topic deep down at forum’s splanchnic times ago but couldn’t find it…

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