Simon, I definitely need to more carefully study Adam514’s gameplan. It might have evolved since I last watched what he had done to guarantee victory. That guy is a true master of strategy! Some of your choices will depend on how much the Allies spend in the Atlantic. I imagine that there will be times when you move your fleet to SZ110 on G2 and reinforce it with even more ships (if you take Normandy on G1). Normally I hate buying fleet with Germany, but he manages to crush opponents with his plan.
The fleet could then move into the Med on G3 if the Italians control Gibraltar on I2.
Are you guys talking about Adam514’s Vanilla games or BM games?
There is a difference in his approach on these two concepts of the game.
I’m not sure of the difference.
I’m not sure of the difference.
Well Adam514 use the Marine Units a lot.
Also he has a unique way of taking care of both theatres on global at the same time.
Invading the european mainland and stacking up the pacific goes Hand in Hand in his gameplay.
Back to the Topic!
I have no doubt that getting Egypt is an important Goal and to achive it as soon as possible. - BUT:
It depends on How much,-What,- and Where to spend the Ipc’s in europe for Egypt.
Also there might be some Scenarios were Egypt is not the right Goal to achieve first, like a failed 110/111 hit or hit and run.
Meaning: too many UK Units survived and would hamper the Egypt run a lot.
I have seen Players spending 23 Ipc’s on a German CV and TT in S. Fra and had been successful in conquering egypt the next turn but sometimes failed to hold Egypt Long enough to win the game on european side.
Do you agree that when the UK is as good as beaten (India taken, UK Europe income of 10 IPC) you are able to take out Russia even while declaring war in G3 or G4? No Sea Lion (London) but Gold Rush (Cairo)
Hmm so the observation is that actually Germany uses its air on the UK already, and the best way to take Cairo early is by doing an airstike of the full luftwaffe. Based on the idea that you need offensive land troops to overpower Russian I will use the following builds.
Just a single investment (7 IPC) in getting Cairo, the bombers have the option to attack Cairo in G4 or be used against Russia instead.
G1: 6 Artillery, 1 Submarine
G2: 10 Tanks, 1 Bomber
G3: 1 Transport, 4 Bombers
I1: 1 Tank, 1 Mech
I2: 2 Tanks, 1 Mech
I3: 2 Bombers
Your German fleet will try to save to Bismarck with a strafe and get to S91 in G2 hopefully taking Morocco. Then to S93 to join with the transport and pick reinforcements of lost units in Morocco. In G4 you attack Egypt with your small fleet (2 transports) and Luftwaffe that is 7 bombers, 6 Fighters and 5 Tacticals minus losses from UK naval battles.
Taking Morocco for Italy in G2 combined with swarming the med with the Luftwaffe will quickly rise Italy to 30 IPC per turn. With Egypt defeated this rises even more to 40-50.
Japan will force the USA to focus on them with JDOW1 and pearl harbour
Ah the reason why I don’t take Allies with less than 18 bid.
I1: 1 Tank, 1 Mech
I2: 2 Tanks, 1 Mech
I3: 2 BombersOften Italy doesn’t have 24 IPCs on turn 2.
Japan will force the USA to focus on them with JDOW1 and pearl harbor
I1: 1 Tank, 1 Mech
I2: 2 Tanks, 1 Mech
I3: 2 BombersOften Italy doesn’t have 24 IPCs on turn 2.
Japan will force the USA to focus on them with JDOW1 and pearl harbor
How is that?
10 basic
5 NO north africa (Germany took Morocco)
5 NO cities (Germany southern France, Italy Greece + Gibraltar)
Yugo + Greece
4 IPC in Africa
= 28 IPC
With the Luftwaffe swarming the Med you might even make that NO also possible for a 33 IPC. All by only sending your air and small initial fleet to the Med.
My new G1 is 2 bombers + sub
What is the UK player doing?
I’m an Axis player fan, I just don’t see all of these scenarios described all the time. I a different thread a guy mentioned how to get Moscow on G5. Huh…?
Just rare I have 28 IPCs at the end of I2, or see anyone else collect that much. But yes, I don’t want to throw away my german transport on G2 to take Morrocco. Guess I should consider that.
The way to Axis victory with the German goes as follows:
First Germanys only and most important objective is to break through Bryansk and access the money territories Caucasus and Volgograd.
From there Germany has 3-4 options.
1. Siege Moscow until it falls
2. If Russia turtles and Allied send all their air in. Go South towards Egypt (keep in mind that Allies are weak everywhere else with the fighters sitting ins Moscow.
3. Go South towards India
4. Stay around Rostov Caucasus and maintain 80ish income, in case Japan is healthy at 70ish. In this case the Axis can play for economic dominance and suffocate the Allies slowly.
Going for Egypt first via the med is usually to inefficient and forces concessions at the most important German Russian front.
Of course, if Italy can maintain pressure on Egypt, they could go for it. Always good to keep UK busy there and not from 110. But I definitely think that German med buys early are not good because that money is missing for Barbarossa.
The way to Axis victory with the German goes as follows:
First Germanys only and most important objective is to break through Bryansk and access the money territories Caucasus and Volgograd.
From there Germany has 3-4 options.
1. Siege Moscow until it falls
2. If Russia turtles and Allied send all their air in. Go South towards Egypt (keep in mind that Allies are weak everywhere else with the fighters sitting ins Moscow.
3. Go South towards India
4. Stay around Rostov Caucasus and maintain 80ish income, in case Japan is healthy at 70ish. In this case the Axis can play for economic dominance and suffocate the Allies slowly.Going for Egypt first via the med is usually to inefficient and forces concessions at the most important German Russian front.
Of course, if Italy can maintain pressure on Egypt, they could go for it. Always good to keep UK busy there and not from 110. But I definitely think that German med buys early are not good because that money is missing for Barbarossa.
However what about building
G1: 2 bombers, 1 sub
G2: 1 bomber, 9 tanks, 1 transport
G3: 9 tanks
18 extra tanks for Bryansk, the bombers can be used againt Egypt and then against Bryansk. As concluded the most efficient way for Germany to give Egypt to Italy is through sending its Luftwaffe to Alexandria G2.
I developed a new Italy strategy based on the Luftwaffe strike, will post it soon.
Usually best to build 1 mech for each tank. Build artillery in Ukraine.
