Crazy George!

[U-505]

That’s true. I do have a rep for being lucky with the bones.  :-D

[Guest]

@U-505:

That’s true. I do have a rep for being lucky with the bones.  :-D

Just a bit :-P

[Jennifer]

505,

It’s not the bid.  It’s the very fact that you know what is coming and can plan accordingly.  It’s like telling your opponent in a chess game you are moving for a 4 move check mate (“fools mate”) before the first move is played.

Not to mention, I want to see how Russia did and how England is doing and what Germany did.  We’re talking 4 turns before KJF is started or abandoned.

[trihero]

Nice job of backpedaling. I’m taking a low bid that only a few players would dare try AND I’m probably the most predictable Axis player here. But since you are concerned with me knowing your strategy, I’ll tell you mine:

I quote directly from U-505, the answer is already contained here. He told you his strategy which isn’t even specifically geared to undo KJF, so you should be on even terms O_O

[Jennifer]

@U-505:

How’s this:

G1=42  (Up Karelia, Egypt/Down WR)

G2=45  (Up Karelia, Egypt, T-J(Med TP), Bcng+IEA(Egy arm blitz)/Down WR) And go ahead and take Norway on UK1 if you dare. My subs and aircraft will enjoy the target practice and my recon planes will take pictures of your capsized battleship and burning TP’s for recorded historical purposes.

And it seems to me ANY German move is optimized against a KJF.

Also 25% UK investment is a low estimate. The IC on UK1 is 50% of their assets and with the UK earning somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 or less because of Germany unopposed in Africa you’re looking at about 40% investment assuming 9 IPC’s for 3 inf at the IC every turn.

UK will be up Borneo, E. Indies, Philippines, FIC and down Egypt, T-J, IEA, Congo, FWA, FEQ and S. Africa.

Hmm, +4+4+3 = 11 Up
Hmm, -2-2-1-1-1-1-1= -9

England’s earning 32 IPC
Germany’s earning, if Russia lets them, 49
Japan’s earning 19
America’s earning 42+
Russia’s earning 26+

Even with Germany making 50, it’s not great.  Japan’s out of the game because Kwangtung and Manchuria are falling next.  Russia’s in ROund 5 and finally forced to retreat.  Meanwhile, the allies are pushing into North Asia with the Shucks and ICs on the mainland.  Even if you manage to pull out a miracle and sink the combined allied fleet without getting completely destroyed, you still have 7 British/American units a round being put up in SE Asia and walking to Moscow.

Your Northern Fleet will be a threat until Germany 3.  England will sink it at that point with the loss of a transport or two, tops.  Even with your carrier and two fighters for support.  If England is forced to retreat due to poor dice, America will easily slide in and finish it off with it’s own airpower and navy which I’ve already declared is heading into the Atlantic.

So yea, you’ll have Africa, but it won’t help you any.  England will have enough to make up for it in easily defendable islands  in the Pacific.  And you won’t have Japan to distract Russians and hold them back.

[U-505]

OK. This is getting old. You keep making baseless assuptions about stuff without detailing how they come about. Please explain how the UK is taking the East Indies and the Philippines without getting smashed by a Japanese fleet that is 3 times larger than the one UK has in the area.

[Nix]

Let me explain my Views on the FIC attack, since i was the one who primarilly used it on these boards (i believe)

Attacking FIC should be done with these things in Mind:

Russia did Hit westrussia and belorussia (no ukraine).

Russia moved 6 inf to Buryatia
2 Arm to Yakut

Russia bought 3 inf, 3 arms.

Assembled everything else in Westrussia, and moved novo evenki inf to russia, kazhak inf to Cauccasus.

Builds 3 inf in Cauccasus.

Yes Germany can now take cauccasus for 1 round, but it costs.

UK builds 1 IC (maybe 1 fig, 1 arm to i don´t know.) and attacks the usual targets:

ex: SZ59 (ac, dest)
Sub to SZ45.

Trn of australia stays put (maybe pulling 1 inf from new zeeland to australia.

UK landing in Algeria along with reinforcements from USA

UK airforce will attack SZ5 withdraw when trn is dead.

If FIC is cleared from land units IC is placed in India, otherwise it´s placed in Australia.

If IC is in India USA builds IC in Sinkiang (witch gets 3 arm reinforcements if needed, (5 if japan kills buryatia)

If japan does not kill Buryatia then 6 inf9+ arm will go into manchuria (be renforced possiably by 1 UK fig if it lived thrue uk1)

This will seriously harm japans offense.

Personally i belive an unrestricted Japan is more dangerous then unrestricted Germany.

[axis_roll]

@Nix:

Let me explain my Views on the FIC attack, since i was the one who primarilly used it on these boards (i believe)

Attacking FIC should be done with these things in Mind:

Russia did Hit westrussia and belorussia (no ukraine).
Russia moved 6 inf to Buryatia
2 Arm to Yakut
Russia bought 3 inf, 3 arms.
Assembled everything else in Westrussia, and moved novo evenki inf to russia, kazhak inf to Cauccasus.
Builds 3 inf in Cauccasus.

Yes Germany can now take cauccasus for 1 round, but it costs.

UK builds 1 IC (maybe 1 fig, 1 arm to i don´t know.) and attacks the usual targets:
ex: SZ59 (ac, dest)
Sub to SZ45.
Trn of australia stays put (maybe pulling 1 inf from new zeeland to australia.
UK landing in Algeria along with reinforcements from USA
UK airforce will attack SZ5 withdraw when trn is dead.

If FIC is cleared from land units IC is placed in India, otherwise it´s placed in Australia.
If IC is in India USA builds IC in Sinkiang (witch gets 3 arm reinforcements if needed, (5 if japan kills buryatia)
If japan does not kill Buryatia then 6 inf9+ arm will go into manchuria (be renforced possiably by 1 UK fig if it lived thrue uk1)

This will seriously harm japans offense.
Personally i belive an unrestricted Japan is more dangerous then unrestricted Germany.

HELLO KJF!

A good axis counter would be to take caucasus and land the Ukraine ftr from that battle in FIC to support japan since you are obviously set up to go after Japan.

[Nix]

Sure you can, that only means germany is down 1 Fighter for 1 round, and UK does something else, and Russia can still withdraw all forces (exception might be buryatia inf).

So it´s not really that “strange”.  Your not fully committed until after uk1.

[Nix]

And to add, all my games basically where im allies starts with basically the same russian 1.

But i don´t always attack japan anyway.

[axis_roll]

@Nix:

Sure you can, that only means germany is down 1 Fighter for 1 round, and UK does something else, and Russia can still withdraw all forces (exception might be buryatia inf).

So it´s not really that “strange”.  Your not fully committed until after uk1.

I never implied it was strange, I said it smacked of KJF.

Most of the time, Germany is down 1 ftr right from the get go (Ukraine attack) so it wouldn’t be missed.

[Jennifer]

@U-505:

OK. This is getting old. You keep making baseless assuptions about stuff without detailing how they come about. Please explain how the UK is taking the East Indies and the Philippines without getting smashed by a Japanese fleet that is 3 times larger than the one UK has in the area.

Borneo falls on UK 1 or UK 3 depending on which flavor of KJF you go for.

Japan ignores the British fleet because the Americans are being a pest.  It’s either attack England or attack America and America’s the one building more fleet every round out numbering you.

If Borneo falls on UK 3, then E. Indies falls on UK 2 and Philippines on UK 4.

[Jennifer]

And, for the record, I don’t do the Ukraine attack with Russia anymore.  Too risky.  I’m throwing away 3 tanks, 1 artillery and 3 infantry to get 3 infantry, 1 armor, 1 fighter and 1 artillery.  28 IPC from Russia and 75% of their starting tanks for 28 IPC from Germany and 1 of their 6 fighters.  That battle can go horribly wrong (and for me usually does) resulting in maybe not taking it or only having 1 tank left to defend.  Though I’ve seen it go horribly wrong for Germany, is that really a risk Russia wants to take on in the first round of the game?

Safer is attacking Belorussia and W. Russia.  Serves the same purpose of knocking down the German war machine, if it goes bad for Russia, Russia’s only out some infantry, not tanks!

[frood]

@Cmdr:

And, for the record, I don’t do the Ukraine attack with Russia anymore.  Too risky.  I’m throwing away 3 tanks, 1 artillery and 3 infantry to get 3 infantry, 1 armor, 1 fighter and 1 artillery.  28 IPC from Russia and 75% of their starting tanks for 28 IPC from Germany and 1 of their 6 fighters.  That battle can go horribly wrong (and for me usually does) resulting in maybe not taking it or only having 1 tank left to defend.  Though I’ve seen it go horribly wrong for Germany, is that really a risk Russia wants to take on in the first round of the game?

Safer is attacking Belorussia and W. Russia.  Serves the same purpose of knocking down the German war machine, if it goes bad for Russia, Russia’s only out some infantry, not tanks!

For once we agree!

[U-505]

@Cmdr:

@U-505:

OK. This is getting old. You keep making baseless assuptions about stuff without detailing how they come about. Please explain how the UK is taking the East Indies and the Philippines without getting smashed by a Japanese fleet that is 3 times larger than the one UK has in the area.

Borneo falls on UK 1 or UK 3 depending on which flavor of KJF you go for.

Japan ignores the British fleet because the Americans are being a pest.  It’s either attack England or attack America and America’s the one building more fleet every round out numbering you.

If Borneo falls on UK 3, then E. Indies falls on UK 2 and Philippines on UK 4.

Don’t see it happening. Nope, nope, nope. Japan has more than enough fleet to chase the UK out of the Pacific for many turns. And if UK takes Borneo on UK1, they will have nothing left after Japan stomps them on J1.

For the record, if the UK tries to preserve their fleet on UK1, I’m not going to extend Japan’s fleet beyond my abilities to defend against a backdoor attack by them. You might get one of those islands, but you aren’t going to get all of them. The japanese can position their fleet to cover those islands and still keep an eye on the US. As long as the US can’t overwhelm the Japanese navy, putting the Japanese fleet in sz50 will cover all of their islands and keep the US from advancing until they have a much larger fleet than they start with.

[Guest]

And also remember this…

UK fleet within range of the Asian coast means 6 FIG, 1 BOM in addition to the Imperial Navy for the attack on UK’s mini fleet.

[Jennifer]

And a drain on Japanese resources allowing American to pummel Japan to death without loss.

Okay, with minimal losses.

You are forced to chose, hit the American fleet and keep it from being a monster, or chase the pissant fleet of the British allowing American to push into your heartland and attack you with impunity.

[U-505]

Well first, the US will need at least 2 turns to become the monster you speak of and with the IC built in Sink on US 1 maybe even 3 turns.

Second, and most importantly, Japan doesn’t chase fleets in a KJF. It’s fleet is for defense of it’s territories and interdiction of the Allied fleets. It only attacks if the Allies leave it a juicy target within range. The lion doesn’t move. It just sits and waits. The prey will come to it.

[Guest]

Japan is IMMEDIATE reinforce with builds
USA is 1-2 turns delayed reinforcement from builds
UK is NO reinforcement.

[Jennifer]

Okay, so if Japan is IMMEDIATE reinforcement, then you are NOT chasing down the British fleet and thus they have free reign.

Can’t have it both ways Switch.  You either have to chase them down and thus split your navy allowing America to move in and assume the defense posture off Japan OR you maintain a defense and lose some islands to the sniping of England.  Compounded with the fact you have stated you are building fleet for reinforcements meaning you have nothing new going into Asia meaning you have lost 9 IPC right there.  Any landings you might do are going into Buryatia, not exactly prime realestate, if you ask me.