@midnight_reaper that’s a cool idea and I might have to try it. However I don’t like the idea of getting advancements for free, which is why I like some sort of facility to buy. Since the G40 R&D board seems to have the better advances on one side I’d say you have to roll a 1-4 to get the 1 column, and 5-6 to get the second. Maybe even through in an added cost to get 1-3 & 4-6. But again with that, I think countries should have to build the facilities in their capitol instead of anywhere and starting with them.
Young Grasshopper's G40 House Rules
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YG,
do you have a specific historical-theme for each NO?Otherwise, one NO seems more for game balance than anything else:
UK Pacific (in addition to all original NOs)
- 3 IPC’s if the United Kingdom has at least one land unit on any originally controlled Chinese territory
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Hey YG,
great tourney again. since you’re thinking of victory tokens, my suggestion would be a super or trump token. given that the axis are the aggressors, they must reach a specific economic objective in order for any of the other tokens to count. alternatively, you could award the allies a token to the allies for their stopping the axis from achieving the objective.
happy reformation day! be ever reforming.
Crockett36
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Hello YG,
We had a game round last weekend and played with your victory objectives.
After the game the Japanese player stated, that there is no real objective for doing the island hoping. So we decided to implement the victory objective called “Island Hoping” which is the same for Axis and Allies to take control of all of the following 11 islands/island groups:
Iwo Jima, Marianas, Paulau Islands, Caroline Islands, Marshall Islands, Guam, Midway, Wake Island, Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Island, Line Islands
We decided to take out the Philippines as those have their own VO and the Aleutian Islands, as well as the Chinese coast islands because those had a minor strategically value during WW2.
The VOs we wanted to replace are: London/Sydney Liberation for the Allies and Supremacy for the Axis.
This is not yet play tested, but we are planning to have a new game round soon.Now we wanted to hear your thoughts about it and found out you came up with a similar idea. :lol:
@Young:Pacific
-The Allies control 13 of the 16 Pacific Islands originally controlled by America and Japan
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I think you should make a new deck of cards to represent these new ideas with your others…
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@Imperious:
I think you should make a new deck of cards to represent these new ideas with your others…
New deck files will be available shortly… for those that bought a Delta deck from me in the past, I will ship to you the 6 replacement cards.
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ok i am one of those
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@Imperious:
ok i am one of those
You bought decks from me?
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Hello YG,
We had a game round last weekend and played with your victory objectives.
After the game the Japanese player stated, that there is no real objective for doing the island hoping. So we decided to implement the victory objective called �Island Hoping� which is the same for Axis and Allies to take control of all of the following 11 islands/island groups:
Iwo Jima, Marianas, Paulau Islands, Caroline Islands, Marshall Islands, Guam, Midway, Wake Island, Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Island, Line Islands
We decided to take out the Philippines as those have their own VO and the Aleutian Islands, as well as the Chinese coast islands because those had a minor strategically value during WW2.Â
The VOs we wanted to replace are: London/Sydney Liberation for the Allies and Supremacy for the Axis.
This is not yet play tested, but we are planning to have a new game round soon.Now we wanted to hear your thoughts about it and found out you came up with a similar idea. :lol:
@Young:Pacific
-The Allies control 13 of the 16 Pacific Islands originally controlled by America and Japan
(FOW) *The United StatesHey Fiera,
There’s a lot to go over here… can you PM me your phone number and I’ll give you a call. Do you live in the US or Canada?
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You bought decks from me?
Of course why not?
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@Imperious:
You bought decks from me?
Of course why not?
I don’t remember printing card decks, shipping them to you, and receiving payment. I will if you want to order them from me, I charge the same as what my print shop charges me… $40 Canadian each deck.
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After much thought, the additional national objectives are as follows…
Axis National ObjectivesGermany (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if an Axis power controls LondonJapan (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if Japan controls all original Chinese territoriesAllied National Objectives
Soviet Union (2 NOs which will replace the original National Prestige NO)
-5 IPCs if there are no Axis warships in sea zone #125, and the Allies control Archangel as well as London
-5 IPCs if there are no Allied units on any original Russian territoriesUnited States (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the United States are at war with the Axis powersUK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPC’s if there are no German submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111, and from 116 to 124ANZAC (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the Allies control Cairo (when at war with Germany and Italy) -
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPC’s if there are no German submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111, and from 116 to 124Italian Sub does not block this NO?
SZ91 Atlantic side of Gibraltar was a very important SZ for UK’s Convoy going to and coming from both Africa and Med.
However, it is not simple to formulate a KISS NO to clearly identify SZs without enumerating them.
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Hello YG,
We had a game round last weekend and played with your victory objectives.
After the game the Japanese player stated, that there is no real objective for doing the island hoping. So we decided to implement the victory objective called �Island Hoping� which is the same for Axis and Allies to take control of all of the following 11 islands/island groups:
Iwo Jima, Marianas, Paulau Islands, Caroline Islands, Marshall Islands, Guam, Midway, Wake Island, Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Island, Line Islands
We decided to take out the Philippines as those have their own VO **and the Aleutian Islands, as well as the Chinese coast islands because those had a minor strategically value during WW2. **By discarding Okinawa and Aleutians, you are going against history. There is no incentive to reenact this part of PTO WW2.
On that point YG’s VO give more room to act like Allies did in WW2. They recaptured Aleutians and fight over Okinawa.
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@Young:
New Europe and Pacific Victory Objectives for the Allies replacing the Philippines and the London liberation. Island hopping is now a thing!
Allied Powers
Europe
-The Soviet Union controls 6 original European Axis territories
(FOW) *The Soviet Union
Pacific
-The Allies control 14 of the 16 Pacific Islands originally controlled by America and Japan
(FOW) *The United StatesThis should be added because African Italian TTs might count for this VOs.
You should add a VO for Japan over control of most of Islands in PTOs.
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@Baron:
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPC’s if there are no German submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111, and from 116 to 124Italian Sub does not block this NO?
SZ91 Atlantic side of Gibraltar was a very important SZ for UK’s Convoy going to and coming from both Africa and Med.
However, it is not simple to formulate a KISS NO to clearly identify SZs without enumerating them.
What about this?
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
- 5 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in North Atlantic Ocean, (this excludes Norwegian Straits and Baltic Sea SZs 112, 113, 114 & 115 and Norwegian and Barents Sea SZs 125, 126 & 127).
So SZs:
89, 90, 91,
101, 102, 103, 104, 105,
106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111,
116, 117, 118, 119,
120, 121, 122, 123, 124 must be free of any Axis Submarine.
OR
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in SZs 89, 90, 91 and all sea zones from 101 to 111, and from 116 to 124
Theme: United Kingdom’s North Atlantic Ocean shipping lanes are cleared from danger.
- 5 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in North Atlantic Ocean, (this excludes Norwegian Straits and Baltic Sea SZs 112, 113, 114 & 115 and Norwegian and Barents Sea SZs 125, 126 & 127).
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Thanks for the suggestions BM… I think I’ve got it now. Axis National Objectives
Germany (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if an Axis power controls LondonJapan (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if Japan controls all original Chinese territoriesAllied National Objectives
Soviet Union (2 NOs which will replace the original National Prestige NO)
-5 IPCs if there are no Axis warships in sea zone #125, and the Allies control Archangel as well as London
-5 IPCs if there are no Allied units on any original Russian territoriesUnited States (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the United States are at war with the Axis powersUK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 116 to 124
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 90 to 99ANZAC (in addition to all original NOs)
-3 IPCs if the Allies control Cairo (when at war with Germany and Italy) -
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 116 to 124
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 90 to 99Nice way to make it comprehensible.
From SZ95 and beyond, you require that UK sink Subs in Italian drop off SZ95 and SZ97.
Requiring SZ90 to 94 is one part,
SZ96, SZ98 and SZ99 are more clearly UK shipping lines.
But SZ95 and SZ97, is more puzzling.
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@Baron:
UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 101 to 111
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 116 to 124
-2 IPC’s if there are no Axis submarines in all sea zones from 90 to 99Nice way to make it comprehensible.
From SZ95 and beyond, you require that UK sink Subs in Italian drop off SZ95 and SZ97.
Requiring SZ90 to 94 is one part,
SZ96, SZ98 and SZ99 are more clearly UK shipping lines.
But SZ95 and SZ97, is more puzzling.
How are they part of UK supply lines?I believe that submarines in any of these areas pose a threat, they wouldn’t need to be directly in the path of the shipping lanes, but rather patrolling these sea zones is enough to eliminate the bonus.
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Seems OK for play-test, after all it is only 2 IPCs bonus.
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@Baron:
By discarding Okinawa and Aleutians, you are going against history. There is no incentive to reenact this part of PTO WW2.
On that point YG’s VO give more room to act like Allies did in WW2. They recaptured Aleutians and fight over Okinawa.
That is partially correct, Baron.
Okinawa had a huge strategically value, much bigger than on A&A, because it had airbases and docks to repair ships. Furthermore it was essential to keep the connection between Japan main lands, Korea, Manchuria on the one hand and the Japanese fleet in the Southern Pacific on the other hand. So yes, I agree with you and will propose to add this island, when we playtest it next weekend. That way both sides will start with 6 islands/island groups, which need to be captured.
Aleutian Islands had no strategically value at all. The invasion force was small and most likely a feint attack while the main force was heading for Midway. The only reason why USA took it back was prestige. They could not let the Japanese capture US territories. No one did that for more than 200 years. And hey, they got 5 IPC NO for it. :wink:
To put it in a nutshell, our proposal, in comparison to YG´s, is that you need all islands/island groups to get the token, but discard the following islands/island groups:
Hainan, Formosa, Aleutian Islands and Philippines
(the Philippines keep their own VO because it is a “moral obligation” (Douglas MacArthur) to liberate those)Additionally this token counts for both sides in our version.
Our idea was to create a simillar situation like in Africa. :evil:
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