It needs to be edited. There is a prompt when they are attacked reminding the Player.
A couple Ftr Aces and a regular Ftr make for a formidable defense :)
Grasshopper's 8d System - Conversion tables for 1940 Global units
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So how many problems has the 8 sided system solved so far?… I’ve lost count.
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@Young:
I have found that many of the problems with G40 unit profile values can be solved by using an 8 Sided die.
Attacking unit dice odds
1/8 - White (12.5%)
Infantry (-16.7%)
Mech Infantry (-16.7%)2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)
Mech Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Artillery (+33%)
Submarine (+33%)
Destroyer (+33%)4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Fighter (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Strategic Bomber (-66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)
Tactical Bomber w/Fighter or w/Tank (-66.7%)6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)Defending unit dice odds
1/8 - White (12.5%)
AA Guns (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7%)2/8 - Green (25%)
Submarine (+16.7%)
Aircraft Carrier (-33%)
Infantry (-33%)
Mech Infantry (-33%)
Artillery (-33%)3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Destroyer (+33%)
Aircraft Carrier (+33%)4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Fighter (- 66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)*Special thanks to Big Al “Mike Tyson” for contributing in this idea & Baron Munchhausen for his calculations.
@Baron:
YG’s complete D8s roster:
Inf A1-2 D2
MI A1-2 D2
Arty A3 D2
Tank A4 D4
AAA A0 D1*
Fighter A4 D5
TcBomber A4-5 D4
StBomber A5 D1
Submarine A3 D2
Destroyer A3 D3
Cruiser A5 D5
Carrier A0D2D3
Battleship A6 D6@Young:
Strategic Bombing Raid Air Battle
Fighter interceptor 2/8 (+16.7%)
Fighter escort 2/8 (+16.7%)
Tac Bomber 1/8 (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber 1/8 (-16.7)@Young:
So how many problems has the 8 sided system solved so far?… I’ve lost count.
I’m sold to your D8 system…
:-D :-D :-DI’m curious to see how such would change tactical dynamic in game.
I don’t know if such special red, black and blue dices with special symbols from Fantasy Flight game, might be used to tell outright success or fail. At least, for some units.
I just realized you put Carrier to D2, combining with 2 Fgs D5+D5.
It will weaken a lot Carrier on defense.
D12/24 (50%) compared to OOB D10/18 (56%)
I would tend to rise it to same value as Destroyer : D3.
D13/24 (54%)
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This is what I found so far as an alternative to the diamond shape that rolls like a football.
Perfect for the hit symbol I want to use.
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@Baron:
I just realized you put Carrier to D2, combining with 2 Fgs D5+D5.
It will weaken a lot Carrier on defense.
I would tend to rise it to same value as Destroyer : D3.
A Full Carrier will still be weaker than OOB in defense.Done.
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@Young:
This is what I found so far as an alternative to the diamond shape that rolls like a football.
Perfect for the hit symbol I want to use.
Is it your intent to modify the pips on dices?
So each color will have blanks and a number of determined “bangs”?
Like 1 to 6 bangs…To save one dice color set: the red 5/8 may use 5 bangs and a double bang (or a bigger one) when rolling Battleship. So, when rolling for Cruiser, TcB or Fg, you don’t need to consider this double bangs.
Such things will increase pace of resolve combat phase.
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@Baron:
Is it your intent to modify the pips on dices?
So each color will have blanks and a number of determined “bangs”?Such things will increase pace of resolve combat phase.
Yes, that is my intent…
White - 1 Hit symbol / 7 blank sides
Green - 2 Hit symbols / 6 blank sides
Blue - 3 Hit symbols / 5 blank sides
Purple - 4 Hit symbols / 4 blank sides
Red - 5 Hit symbols / 3 blank sides
Black - 6 Hit symbols / 2 blank sides
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To save one dice color set: the red 5/8 may use 5 bangs and a double bang (or a bigger one, or a white one, or a BB symbol, etc.) when rolling Battleship. So, when rolling for Cruiser, TcB or Fg, you don’t need to consider this double bangs, or special symbol.
So, you need only 5 sets of dice.
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@Baron:
To save one dice color set: the red 5/8 may use 5 bangs and a double bang (or a bigger one, or a white one, or a BB symbol, etc.) when rolling Battleship. So, when rolling for Cruiser, TcB or Fg, you don’t need to consider this double bangs, or special symbol.
So, you need only 5 sets of dice.
I’ve seen dice with double bangs, and I despise them… 8 sides to balance them, 6 colours to unite them, and 1 symbol to rule them all.
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For those who want to feel it more for 2 minutes:
https://youtu.be/vOulsEGvSCo:wink:
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@Baron:
For those who want to feel it more for 2 minutes:
https://youtu.be/vOulsEGvSCo:wink:
AWESOME!… The world is changing indeed!
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Of course 6 sided dice are still required in the game for convoy disruptions, damaging facilities, and the oob Research & Development system.
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Here’s a question… what side of the spectrum should Kamikaze tokens land on?
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@Young:
@Baron:
I just realized you put Carrier to D2, combining with 2 Fgs D5+D5.
It will weaken a lot Carrier on defense.
I would tend to rise it to same value as Destroyer : D3.
A Full Carrier will still be weaker than OOB in defense.Done.
I slept on it and the Carrier in my opinion needs to defend at 2/8… it’s purchase rate is already through the roof, so let’s not use the opportunity to make them even stronger. I’m open to other opinions on this…
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@Young:
I slept on it and the Carrier in my opinion needs to defend at 2/8… it’s purchase rate is already through the roof, so let’s not use the opportunity to make them even stronger. I’m open to other opinions on this…
It is not the case for a stronger Carrier.
Food for thought:
I just realized you put Carrier to D2, combining with 2 Fgs D5+D5.
Sum: Defense 12 pips
It will weaken a lot Carrier on defense. (-6%)Nerfed Carrier, A0 D2 + 2 Fighters A4 D5 Sum : A8 D12
Defense: 12 out of 24 (3*D8) : 50% oddsCompared to OOB full Carrier A6 D10 out of 18 (3D6)
Defense: 10 out of 18 = 56% oddsI would tend to rise it to same value as Destroyer : D3.
Carrier D3 + 2 Fgs A8 D10
Defense with D3 Full Carrier: D13 out of 24 = 54% oddsA Full Carrier D3 will still be 2% weaker than OOB in defense.
(Carrier in itself is not a whole combat unit, she needs planes.
Hence, the real factor is comparing when it is a full compliment on board. And the best defensive comes with 2 Fighters, but the conversion into D8s made their defense factor slightly below OOB. That’s why, all in all, lowering 2 Fgs defense and giving a slight buff to Carrier make it near to OOB defense.)Side note, OOB we are used to compare Destroyer defense to be the same as Carrier.
In addition, all Sub, Destroyer, Cruiser and BB get a better offensive and defensive power compared to OOB. (Meaning that Full Carrier will be relatively to other warships less cost efficient on defense compared to OOB Carrier vs OOB warships.)
Submarine A3 D2 A37.5% D25% +4% & +8%
OOB A33.3 D16.7Destroyer A3 D3 A37.5% D37.5% +4%
OOB A33.3 D33.3Cruiser A5 D5 A62.5% D62.5% +12.5%
OOB A50 D50Battleship A6 D6 A75% D75% +8%
OOB A66.7 D66.7Carrier D3 A8 D13 A33.3% D54.2% -1.4%
+2Fgs OOB:A6 D10 A33.3% D55.6%Carrier D2 A8 D12 A33.3% D50% -5.6%
+2FgsFinally, if you nerfed StB offense (-5%) but also nerfed Fgs defense (-5%) and Carrier defense (-8%), you will be in the same situation against Dark Sky Strategy. While lowering StBs offense and Fgs defense but making Full Carrier D3 showed it is just -2% to OOB. That way StBs will be less efficient for Dark Sky.
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@Baron:
I Edit this earlier.
Food for thought:I just realized you put Carrier to D2, combining with 2 Fgs D5+D5.
It will weaken a lot Carrier on defense.
D12/24 (50%) compared to OOB D10/18 (56%)
I would tend to rise it to same value as Destroyer : D3.
D13/24 (54%)
A Full Carrier will still be weaker than OOB in defense.I don’t understand what you edited. I’m putting the Carrier defence back to 2/8 for now.
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Sorry, I revised the last post.
I made it more explicit.
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@Young:
Here’s where I need the communities help and advice…
I want to translate the language of 6 Sided G40 oob unit values into 8 Sided unit values.
The only percentage that can translate perfectly is 50% (3/6 or 4/8).
I need to know where each unit from a 6 Sided oob system would fall on an 8 Sided system without passing a full point going left or right (- or +).
In case it’s of any use, here’s a chart I’ve prepared showing how the rolls from a single 8-sided die and the rolls from a single 6-sided die distribute themselves relative to each other on a 100-point percentage scale.
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That is incredible CWO Marc… Being a right brain thinker and visualizer, I can’t tell you how helpful your chart is. Thank you.
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Attacking unit dice odds
1/8 - White (12.5%)
Infantry (-16.7%)
Mech Infantry (-16.7%)2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)
Mech Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Artillery (+33%)
Submarine (+33%)
Destroyer (+33%)4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Fighter (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Strategic Bomber (-66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)
Tactical Bomber w/Fighter or w/Tank (-66.7%)6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)Defending unit dice odds
1/8 - White (12.5%)
AA Guns (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7%)
Submarine (-16.7%)2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry (-33%)
Mech Infantry (-33%)
Artillery (-33%)
Aircraft Carrier (-33%)
Kamikaze Token (-33%)3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Destroyer (+33%)4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Fighter (- 66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)Strategic bombing raid air combat unit values
1/8 - White
Tac Bomber (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7)2/8 - Green
Fighter interceptor (+16.7%)
Fighter escort (+16.7%)*Special thanks to Big Al “Mike Tyson” for contributing in this idea & Baron Munchhausen for his calculations.
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@Young:
That is incredible CWO Marc… Being a right brain thinker and visualizer, I can’t tell you how helpful your chart is. Thank you.
My pleasure. Good luck with your project.
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