Yea, KAF is the sole reason people started building infantry in W. USA and walking to E. Canada. Slower assault into Europe, but Japan has no real ability to do anything to N. America.
KJF etc.
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After Tokyo falls, Germany better be ready because the allies are going to put 5 ICs in SE asia to keep up with the Germans.
However, Moscow is going to fall first in most games. Especially if Ameirca shares and lets England get some of the islands to keep them in the game.
It just seems to me like the Germans would get the jump on Asia. Because Tokyo takes a while to whittle away, even one extra turn for the Germans would mean they’ve blitzed to sinkiang, and it’s a short stop to any one of 3 complexes which can’t bear the weight of 20-30 tanks even when combined, much less individually.
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Exactly my point.
But even if the German’s get a jump, they are not going to liberate Tokyo from Russia. They have to go for something else. Like London.
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1. Moscow Falls.
2. Germany builds INF to secure their holdings
3. INF and ARM from Moscow move into Asia, gaining German income, and eventually liberating Japan income
4. Germany starts building fleet and AF, and goes after the Royal Navy, then after London.
5. Meanwhile, Japan defends their island… -
Lol maybe we’ve come full circle to say that KJF sucks, again! =p
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Don;t get me wrong… Japan CAN be taken. I have done it, and had it done to me.
The problem is that if Japan can hold even a single turn past the fall of moscow, the Allies are still in trouble because Germany is huge…
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The problem is that if Japan can hold even a single turn past the fall of moscow, the Allies are still in trouble because Germany is huge…
Wise words.
Btw, what do you think is the most effective way of taking Tokyo? Obviously you have to knock out as much income as you can first or you’ll be trying to deal with 8 inf or a higher defensive mix added every turn, but after that then what? Amass BBs and slowly shell them away? Pound every turn with a 4x4 or 5x5? O_O?
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@Bean:
The problem is that if Japan can hold even a single turn past the fall of moscow, the Allies are still in trouble because Germany is huge…
Wise words.
Btw, what do you think is the most effective way of taking Tokyo? Obviously you have to knock out as much income as you can first or you’ll be trying to deal with 8 inf or a higher defensive mix added every turn, but after that then what? Amass BBs and slowly shell them away? Pound every turn with a 4x4 or 5x5? O_O?
The problem would be logistical.
Getting either one huge dump of ground units on mega transports or trying to set-up a 1-2 punch, either one takes planning around getting ‘loaded’ transports to sz60/61.
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3 Industrial Complexes in Manchuria, Kwangtung and FIC for America and put all your transports in SZ 61. :P Why shuttle if you don’t have too?
Add IC in Sinkiang/China too, for good measure! Hell, you’re earning 64 IPC a round anyway, right? You can fill 13 infantry easily.
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Jennifer, by the time US can do what you are talking about, the game would be over.
I’m tempted to challenge you to do a KJF on me……
TripleA, 9 bid axis (ladder rules, max 1 unit bid place pr. TT.)
TTL, low luck. No tech.
If you beat me, i think that will be because you are better, and not because of your KJF strat. -
Then darlin, if it’s because I’m better and not more KJF strategically why challenge me? :P
But if you want too, I think I can make a good showing for KJF. Hell, I think with my level of knowledge in KJF now a days I could even make Switch do a double take in a game against me. He’d probably still end up winning in the long run, but in the short run, he might be severely put off balance. :evil:
Actually, I don’t really do kill Japan first. I do IJF (Isolate Japan First) that is reduce them to an island.
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I think any level of player can be isolated as Japan if all the Allies are committed to it, it’s what happens afterwards :-o
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In an IJF, that means taking all Japanese TT’s except Tokyo, before going after Germany?
What resources will be spent against Japan, and what resources will be used against Germany?It would be fun to play you anyway, with or without KJF,
and if I beat you, I get to see teh secret naked Jennypics :roll::-D
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Potential English Investment: Industrial Complex in India + 3 Infantry a turn for 3 rounds.
100% of American assets in the Pacific with the possible exception of the 2 transports, Destroyer, 2 infnatry, armor, aa gun and fighter in E. USA/SZ 10 going to SZ 12/Algeria to secure the British landing.
The goal of IJF is to take:
Manchuria,
Kwangtung
FIC
Borneo
E. Indies
New Guinea
Philippines
OkinawaWake, Carolinas and Solomon Islands can be ignored as they are worthless and only a drain on American assets.
I recommend Borneo and New Guinea be left to England at least, maybe even E. Indies. To make up for the loss of Africa. With a SZ 30 consolidation that’s easy to do. Without a SZ 30 consolidation you might want to hit FIC and clear it of infantry and send everything else to SZ 59 and guarentee that transport is gone to protect the UK 1 IC.
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If all US production is used in pacific (from L.A.) + at least 9 ipc from UK each rnd, then I’m happy to play you,
using tripleA, if you can host, I can’t.Now, 5 German trans G1 is definately going to stop this, but I won’t buy trans with Germany
anyway.
I take 8 bid for G, 9 if you give me 1 ipc…
Then we make an appointment for when we play.
TTL, no tech, low luck. -
@Cmdr:
Wake, Carolinas and Solomon Islands can be ignored as they are worthless and only a drain on American assets.
Solomons have great positional value.
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@Cmdr:
Wake, Carolinas and Solomon Islands can be ignored as they are worthless and only a drain on American assets.
Solomons have great positional value.
Only early on, once the battle of the pacific has been won by the americans, then it’s worthless
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If all US production is used in pacific (from L.A.) + at least 9 ipc from UK each rnd, then I’m happy to play you,
using tripleA, if you can host, I can’t.Now, 5 German trans G1 is definately going to stop this, but I won’t buy trans with Germany
anyway.
I take 8 bid for G, 9 if you give me 1 ipc…
Then we make an appointment for when we play.
TTL, no tech, low luck.Problem is, on G1 you arn’t expecting it.
Problem 2: I’m not giving anyone 8 IPC bid. 7 is the cap. No transports in SZ 14 or SZ 5, sorry. Not gunna happen.
Problem 3: You think England’s using 9 IPC a round forever in India. They are really only needing the units in India for a few rounds after which they can turn their focus on Africa or Europe.
Problem 4: I think you are really discounting the pressure the allies can bring to bear on Japan.
However, if you will accept ABattlemap, 7 IPC Bid, LL results for Round 1 only with technology allowed, we can play a game.
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@Cmdr:
However, if you will accept ABattlemap, 7 IPC Bid, LL results for Round 1 only with technology allowed, we can play a game.
interesting request… only round 1 for LL.
Why is that… to minimize bad dice early?
Wouldn’t this really help the axis more?
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Basically it’s a request to force a more normalized result so no one gets outrageously good or bad dice in the first round. After round 1, players are more able to handle screwy dice here and there. But, let’s say, Russia attacks Belorussia and W. Russia and the Germans have 100% defense and the Russians have 0% accuracy on attack.
How well can you judge the strategy in that situation?
However, if you maintain low luck after wards, you run the risk of removing some variables of play. You can optimize every move, which is not how most battles are planned. I happen to know a lot of players, like myself, that won’t take a battle if only the Low Luck simulator says you’ll win with 1 ground unit left 100% of the time. Why? Because the swing is huge!
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With low luck its nearly impossible to take London G1, even with trans bid in sz5.
Except with long range aircraft, that’s a different story.
And I don’t play tech, ever!
That is, about 30% to capture UK G1.
If Germany buy 5 trans on G1, then there’s a possibillity for sealion G2 if allies let this happen.
That’s gonna stop a KJF for sure.Sorry that you wouldn’t accept my challenge, and I challenged you first :wink:
With those rules you are playing with, anything can happen….
I would accept 7 bid, IC India UK1, low luck, all US production spent in pacific,
no German naval investment on my behalf,
I would beat you for sure 8-)
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