Now, extra German planes in the mid-game can be a good investment against a balanced, slow KGF if Allies don’t have excess escorts. They already defend where they are almost like 2 more inf (6 IPC), also threaten 1-2 fleets that will need extra escorts, and swap easier on land. Combined with the Japanese fleet coming throught the Med, they can paralyze the Allied moves sandwiched between each of them.
But, that’s not ships, but anti-ship build…
German Naval Build Round 1
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Germany has a choice when it comes to Navy…
Go heavy, or surrender the seas…
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@ncscswitch:
Germany has a choice when it comes to Navy…
Go heavy, or surrender the seas…
The only time I can see otherwise is if Germany gets a bid of 8 and adds a tpt in the baltic
then buying a tpt on G1 is worth while. -
If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…
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If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…
I remember trying that lol. It was really funny to see Germany sailing into the heart of Africa along the west coast, and also Germany sinking the UK bb/tran + Russian sub in the other case lmao. It wasn’t terribly advantageous in the long run though in my experience, but I didn’t try it often enough to feel conclusive about it.
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@ncscswitch:
If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…
I will not take axis for less than 8 ipc, the tripleA ladder rules says 9.
With 9 ipc it’s about 50-50 win/loss.
I guess most ppl play with axis bid down, I estimate axis bid below 6 means axis must be better player(s),
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Thanks Lucifer. I must be a pretty good player then… I win 2 out of 3 games, and almost every game has been a bid of 8 or less (one as low as 4) :-D
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@ncscswitch:
If I get 8 IPC as Germany, the TRN will be in SZ14, or perhaps a SUB in SZ8…
I used to think that too, until someone put the tpt in sz5 on me and I hated what it made me do for Russia round 1.
With 2 sz5 tpts, UK can be lost on G1. I am not too happy giving Germany a 42% chance of taking out London.
Russia must take out Norway to kill a ftr and/or put 1 ftr in London.
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There are other, BETTER, ways to prevent a G2 Sea Lion than either Norway or a Russian FIG to London; even against a MASSIVE number of German TRNs in SZ5.
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Someone tried the sealion against me a few weeks ago, with 5 trans G1.
It’s not difficult to counter if you have calculated this scenario before.
Sealion didn’t happen this time, I lost because of other reasons, but this made me think
about possibillities that I didn’t know existed before that game.
I made several errors which helped me lose the game because I had not thought about what do if……?
I guess now I would be happy (as allies) if G bought 5 trans, 5 trans G1 will help Russia more than Germany. -
5 TRN G1 are 10 INF and 2 TANK less for Germany
Sealion with 5 TRN is 10 Less infantry for Germany.
20 if LESS and 2 TANK Less on G2 is German ready to be assailed by Russia (alone!)Then 5 TRN in G1 means Germany being assailed by Russia…. mmmm I dislike 5 TRN in G1! :-D
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I had someone bid 8 IPC for a submarine in SZ 8 on me before. I solved that problem by taking Norway with Russia on R1. End of threat to the British fleet. Havn’t worked out the odds on if I was really lucky or not, but it’s possible to solve their bid and neutralize their effectiveness.
Anyway, the transport in SZ 14 is a favorite of mine. 3 Infantry in Ukraine as well, since it all but forces Russia to leave you with fighters. (Momma loves fighters! And rockets, but fighters too!)
To be realistic, however, I think Germany should be happy if they get two units for Libya/Ukraine which is to say, about a 6 or 7 IPC bid. At least against opponents on this board.
If you are playing people at AAMC, you can realistically expect to win bids (FIDA) of 18-22 IPC on a pretty regular basis.
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@ncscswitch:
There are other, BETTER, ways to prevent a G2 Sea Lion than either Norway or a Russian FIG to London; even against a MASSIVE number of German TRNs in SZ5.
who said G2?
I said Germanys FIRST turn
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I dislike setting up my board to have the game determined by a dice roll on G1 that has a 38% chance of clearing London
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@ncscswitch:
I dislike setting up my board to have the game determined by a dice roll on G1 that has a 38% chance of clearing London
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What are you talking about?
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@ncscswitch:
I dislike setting up my board to have the game determined by a dice roll on G1 that has a 38% chance of clearing London
It’s 16% for sealion victory with lowluck.
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If the AA gun doesn’t get any hits, it’s 32% with lowluck, and 45%-46% with reg dice…. :mrgreen:
How bout some short games??? :-D :lol: 8-) -
And if you lose the gamble, you end up with Germany pretty much toast.
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Not to mention America’s gunna liberate England and Geramny’s still pretty much toast.
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If Germany fails in sealion, then Germany is dead. Usually, and granted that G got all ftrs killed in the attempt.
But if Germany takes london and 30 ipc from UK, then there’s no hope for allies.We might start a discussion on weather allies can recover, even when US can recapture London.
I don’t think 1 out 10 times is an interesting debate. Maybe the number is 1 out of 50 times, that allies can win if sealion succeds.1. G gets 30 ipc, + 8 for London.
2. UK cant buy for one turn. UK lose 2 rnds because if this.
3. Nearly all UK ground units in Northern Europe are killed.
4. US lose 1 rnd in Europe to take back London.
5. Depending on how big fleet G has, either with sealion G1 or G2, US+UK needs to stack London
to prevent two sealion’s in the same game….
6. Fill in plz.I really don’t se the problem if G place an 8 bid trans in Baltic.
If G attempts sealion, then you win about 70% of the those games.
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If G attempts sealion, then you win about 70% of the those games.
That is if sealion G1. G2, that’s another story.My dice sim says 42% chance of taking UK.
And I don’t think Germany is TOAST if they fail on a sea lion G1
What have they lost if they fail?
Germany trades 2 inf, 2 tanks for 2 inf, art, tank
They traded 2 ftrs and a bomber for 2 ftrs and a bomberIf things go really bad, they can always w/d and save a plane or two or three….
You people are pretty cavalier about losing your capital.
Capital loss is punished pretty hard in A&A (some say too hard)We should discuss (perhaps another thread) G1 Sea lion …
what happens if it fails
what happens if it succeeds.As Germany, depending on how well/poorly Russia did attacking Germany, I would/would not attack London.
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