Nearly correct on the Japanese flag, this IS the Naval ensign, the army flag had the sun in the centre. In any event, the national flag was a plain circle.
http://www.atlasgeo.net/fotw/flags/jp.html
I agree that the sea zone west of the Bosporus is untidy. My map solves this problem by drawing the Greece-Turkey border correctly for before the Axis invasion, thus cutting Bulgaria off from the Aegean.
Regarding the Russian convoy; does Finland have access to the Arctic? I drew several lines meeting at a point here to deny Finland this outlet, but also to prevent a Norway-USSR border. One point you might consider is the effect of winter freezing: Archangel was the main port for Soviet aid, but in winter it was icebound so Murmansk was used, necessitating a longer rail journey through Karelia.
Any particular reason for dividing Italy?
Nigeria is in the wrong place. It should be in the south-west part of FEA.
The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
I agree that R de O should become Western Sahara, as linking FWA with Algeria makes it an important territory at last. Germany will have to consider using it to move land units from Algeria to FWA to by-pass the Egypt bottleneck, otherwise lose Africa south of the sahara. But is it worth driving Spain into the Allied camp?
The Pacific island territories are worth reviewing, for example Okinawa is too far east and would be better as the Marianas. It’s crucial here to calculate aircraft movement limits, as this was the main consideration in assessing the real value of these islands as bases from which to bomb Japan.
This map is a pretty good starting point for oil values, it gives IPC/Oil incomes
http://www.basesproduced.com/images/oil2.gif
I would definately add
Burma
Mexico
Trans-Jordan/Iraq
Venezuela
Not sure about Algeria and Turkey, but note that there was no Saudi production pre 1945
The Japanese oil figure refers, I assume, to synthetic production or possibly stockpiled imports?
Regarding the Russian convoy; does Finland have access to the Arctic? I drew several lines meeting at a point here to deny Finland this outlet, but also to prevent a Norway-USSR border. One point you might consider is the effect of winter freezing: Archangel was the main port for Soviet aid, but in winter it was icebound so Murmansk was used, necessitating a longer rail journey through Karelia.
++++dude this is not going to have complicated rules which bog down the game
Any particular reason for dividing Italy?
+++++++ yes actually… no mountainous territories are viable for sea invasion for more than X amount of units. now the allies have to attack the south first.
Nigeria is in the wrong place. It should be in the south-west part of FEA.
++++++++++ its fine where it is.
The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
+++++++++++China is still China and the nationalists in 1939 had the upper hand. Im not making 2 Chinas thank you.
I agree that R de O should become Western Sahara, as linking FWA with Algeria makes it an important territory at last. Germany will have to consider using it to move land units from Algeria to FWA to by-pass the Egypt bottleneck, otherwise lose Africa south of the sahara. But is it worth driving Spain into the Allied camp?
+++++Under AARHE axis units can move into and thru the Sahara with limitations. Thus the point is moot.
The Pacific island territories are worth reviewing, for example Okinawa is too far east and would be better as the Marianas. It’s crucial here to calculate aircraft movement limits, as this was the main consideration in assessing the real value of these islands as bases from which to bomb Japan.
++++++++ this is a matter of playability and limited sea zones. The game needs to keep a minimal ideas to keep it fun.
I would definately add
Burma
Mexico
Trans-Jordan/Iraq
Venezuela
Trans-jordan is not Iraq in this map. It may look that way but that because i dont want too small little territories. Persia on this map includes Iraq and Iran.
I dont want too many oil rigs on the map. All those you mentioned were considered, but they : 1) were not as developed in 1939 requiring a MAJOR oil center or 2) are not influential to play.
Possibly Venezuela
@Imperious:
Nigeria is fine where it is.
Why not put it in South America which is a bit boring at the moment?
As for Iraq, I didn’t realise you put it in Persia; it’s hard to see that there is now a Saudi - Persia border. But really, Iraq was the UK’s major oil source until the invasion of Iran. I think this area needs clearing up to avoid this confusion, I personally think it’s better to place Iraq with T-J in the British mandate. Admittedly this area is badly drawn in the official maps leading to some confusion; you also appear to have placed Kuwait in Saudi to cut T-J off from the Persian Gulf.
As for Iraq, I didn’t realise you put it in Persia; it’s hard to see that there is now a Saudi - Persia border. But really, Iraq was the UK’s major oil source until the invasion of Iran. I think this area needs clearing up to avoid this confusion, I personally think it’s better to place Iraq with T-J in the British mandate. Admittedly this area is badly drawn in the official maps leading to some confusion; you also appear to have placed Kuwait in Saudi to cut T-J off from the Persian Gulf.
The Saudis and Persia have their oil I am not representing any secondary nations because they are too small to be represented. Iraq was not under British control in 1939. Iraq was basically independent and then followed a pro-Axis policy and latter got into trouble causing the British to invade and restore order. I don’t represent Kuwait.
Please stop with these ‘suggestions’ they are going nowhere fast. Stick to ideas concerning sea zones and lines and aesthetics. Trans-jordan represents the Levant states and Syria it does not represent oil at all.
@Imperious:
allows Japan to defend the home island by occuping only SZ 57 rather than have to pull back and stick fleet in SZ 60… Secondly, stops people from sticking to pure OOB rules and shuck stuff to Soviet far east from Alaska… now its harder and also makes the trip for japan harder. Last reason is that looks more correct because those zones would be large
I see what you mean. Oh well. Wish there was a better way. The sea zone south of Soivet Far and south of Alaska are certrainly big. But the latitude gap between the tips of both is small. Maybe something to do with SZ 62 having access to Buryatia.
- its a desert terrain and has special rules for it unlike the impassible Mt. everest. 2) ill look at it
Yeah but deserts are just marked “(desert)”, like Saudi Arabia.
it is too large of a place to just give it to france. It allows UK another place to land planes and stage attacks from.
Yeah I don’t mean to give it to France. Just thinking of placing it between West Africa and Equatorial Africa with access to Sahara.
Is that a rocket launcher?
++++++++ ??? huh?
Oh. Might be just a font problem. There is a rocket launcher that costs 5 IPC and a gentlemen that costs 8 IPC. :lol:
Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.png
And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gibraltarid0.png
The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
KMT’s weak control of the country (CCP, warlords, etc) is modelled by a low income and lack of infantry raising power (AARHE VC system).
If the income is too high (at 7 vs. Italy’s 6) then might put Tibet or Inner Mongolia down to 0 IPC.
CCP were guerillas during WWII. Don’t need to represent it.
Shanghai
Fallen by 1937. What could we do? Use a different victory city for Kwangtung?
yea make a new city and i think we should change whatever is where chunkking is now back to chunkking (sp)
new draft adding many changes …. as usual. not sure about gibrater i think it should stay.
Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.png
You are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?
And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gibraltarid0.png
I agree with this, you really should be able to invade Gibraltar from the Atlantic.
Also, if you placed a Blockhouse (from D-day) in Gibraltar, the strait is closed.
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Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.pngYou are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?
As I said before this confusion would be cleared up if you use the 1939 Greece border which stretched to Turkey. Bulgaria should not have a border with SZ14. The SZ 14/15 border could then be drawn vertically up to Morea.
Pretty good job rejigging the Middle East, especially given the big distortion of the map here.
Just to tidy up a bit:
The Gulf of Aquaba is missing between Sinia, T-J and Saudi. This should give T-J access to the Red Sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba
Iraq’s sea border is too long, give some of this back to Persia.
As I understand it, the status of Iraq in 1939 was similar to that of Egypt; the UK had military bases and transit rights. It was only the Raschid Ali coup in April 1941 that ended these privilages.
For some real semantics:
“Levant States” is a little too post war. In fact Lebanon was always included in the French mandate of Syria, so simple “Syria” is accurate.
Persia changed it’s name to Iran in 1936
Levant States" is a little too post war. In fact Lebanon was always included in the French mandate of Syria, so simple “Syria” is accurate.
Persia changed it’s name to Iran in 1936
ON my maps dated 1939-42 they all use Levant states
Also, Iran and Persia are used interchangeably in this time and are both correct.
I agree with this, you really should be able to invade Gibraltar from the Atlantic.
Thats the reason why the line exists. i want the extra move to get to Gibraltar so that if the axis take it they can park the fleet and protect it
Regarding China, Hopei should be Japanese by 1939.
Control of the Chinese south east region is always a problem, since the Japanese occupied all the important coastal towns but left the interior to China. Thus Shanghai, Nanking and Canton were in Japanese hands by the time of this map, although they constitute only a few coastal enclaves of the area overall.
Hong Kong was unoccupied but you may have a problem with a UK treaty port as a Chinese VC.
The other option is Changsha, capital of Hunan province. The USAAF used bases in Hunan to bomb Japan, forcing the Japanese to invade the area in operation Ichi-go. This is the best bet for a KMT/USA centre in this region.
Southern Sinkiang isn’t really Tibet, “Tarim Basin” is more like it.
Mentioning Hong Kong, I’ve been thinking that places like this and Gibraltar should be reclassified as treaty ports rather than made separate areas in themselves. So Gib would be a UK treaty port in Spain, and an attack on it would only be possible as a simultaneous attack on Spain itself which, if successful, closes the port to the Allies. Similarly if Spain joins the Axis for some reason the treaty is annulled and the port closed.
A TP Gibraltar would only be permitted to harbour UK ships with all relevant port facilities, but could not host ground or air units as defence of the region is considered the responsibility of neutral Spain.
Of course if you don’t use ports/naval bases you’ll have to think of something else, but it does seem untidy to have areas functionally as big as any other land area which on a real map are mere pin-pricks. Those ridiculous circles drawn around Hong Kong on, for example, AAP really twist my titties.
One other map operation I did was to “straighten out” the Levant, pushing Africa southwards (I started out with a map based on World at War, so many such ops were needed). This gives you more room in the Mediterranean for more islands (Sicily, Crete, Cyprus), but pushes Tangier and Gibraltar apart. I decided this last was a price worth paying for more room in then Med.
heres another reason why i use this flag. You never see Japanese soldiers marching into battle with the red meatball. Since this game is about war and created by the functions of war for Japanese everybody used this flag. The only time they used the other flag was for ceremony or post war. It was not used as any battle flag from 1941-45.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wuhan_1938_IJA.jpg
Regarding China, Hopei should be Japanese by 1939.
Again you miss the point. Hopei actually represents Shansi and Shantung as well and is only a name to show an identification. You read too much into names and why they are being used to represent.
Control of the Chinese south east region is always a problem, since the Japanese occupied all the important coastal towns but left the interior to China. Thus Shanghai, Nanking and Canton were in Japanese hands by the time of this map, although they constitute only a few coastal enclaves of the area overall.
Hong Kong was unoccupied but you may have a problem with a UK treaty port as a Chinese VC.
The other option is Changsha, capital of Hunan province. The USAAF used bases in Hunan to bomb Japan, forcing the Japanese to invade the area in operation Ichi-go. This is the best bet for a KMT/USA centre in this region.
Canton would be my choice for replacement VC in Kwangtung
Southern Sinkiang isn’t really Tibet, “Tarim Basin” is more like it.
Not correct. This area on all my published maps clearly shows Tibet with three distinct provinces:
Hoyo Bod Yul, Chwanpien, and Koko Nor. Instead of Tarim Basin a more correct name is “Plateau of Tibet”
Mentioning Hong Kong, I’ve been thinking that places like this and Gibraltar should be reclassified as treaty ports rather than made separate areas in themselves. So Gib would be a UK treaty port in Spain, and an attack on it would only be possible as a simultaneous attack on Spain itself which, if successful, closes the port to the Allies. Similarly if Spain joins the Axis for some reason the treaty is annulled and the port closed.
Gibraltar is much more important than Hong Kong to how the British cope with the axis preventing them from using the straights. Hong Kong is an open water port. An attack on it can be accomplished independently from a route involving Spain but at a high cost. I will allow it to remain so. Spain cannot be invaded because its mountainous . it has to be attacked from france. German planes for undertaking Isabella (proposed invasion of spain) are in line with this.
One other map operation I did was to “straighten out” the Levant, pushing Africa southwards (I started out with a map based on World at War, so many such ops were needed). This gives you more room in the Mediterranean for more islands (Sicily, Crete, Cyprus), but pushes Tangier and Gibraltar apart. I decided this last was a price worth paying for more room in then Med.
Not making any more changes except redoing france and possibly western USA. Not adding those islands. I only want primary places represented.
IL, are you actually making a game by commitee ?
WOW, I always belived you was dictator 8-)
read AARHE… it was made by like 30 people… by committee. You have me quite wrong. I will even welcome flashman to contribute except id like his comments to be more realistic to the boundaries of the project.
Read AARHE and let me know what should be done for
Lend lease
set up
starting technology levels
political rules for neutrals, Vichy, and free french
starting forces edit for neutrals
starting diplomacy levels for neutrals
aid from Soviets to Germany?
look and use the framework of AARHE to establish these new guidelines.
other ideas?
http://www.mediafire.com/?25zfwoxpxox
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=zjbp2bnlv4n
I really don’t see anything left to modify. This is perfect as it can be.
Actually added more…
Burma road and Brenner pass-
restricted movement and combat unless a player controls both sides of the land territory. The Burma road will provide some limited income to China and restrict movement from Burma to the Chinese territory north of it.
The link between Germany and Italy also has similar restrictions to prevent allied path from Italy to Germany due to the major mountains in this area.
ill publish the link tomorrow.
Yes, I think Burma road is a good idea, also is Trans-siberian railway.
BRENNER PASS
I imagine an impassable mountain line between Germany and Italy, but with a pass/canal, like the Panama canal or Suez canal. You can only attack through this pass with 4 land units, and unlimited air. This will favour the defender. This rule should also go for sea canals. The ships sail one by one through canals, and are sitting ducks on the other side.
I like the Diplomatic Blitz rule from Attack! from Eagle Games.
Modified for A&A it will work like this :
You roll a diplomatic dice to make a minor join your side. The dice cost 3 IPC.
The basic roll is 3 or more for success. (Note that in combat you roll a number and less is hit)
Modifiers :
If the minor is adjacent to your home country, +1 to roll
If you have an army in adjacent territory, +1 to roll
If you have a battleship in adjacent sea zone, +1 to roll
If success, place your national token in the territory, the minor join you next turn.
Now the opposit players may try to counter-coup your allied minor, by rolling the same diplomatic dice.
Just as simple as that.
