I like the setup information for Axis and Allies Global Second Edition 1939 and was wondering if there is a setup for the global game for 1936 which include the Italian - Ethiopian conflict, or if there is global setup starting in 1937 which would primarily include China and Japan?
AARHE 1939 Edition
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Those flags look good, but the Japanese flag is the naval ensign - the national flag is a plain red disc on white.
That is not correct. This is the Imperial flag and Japan was run by the military and they used this flag exclusively. The Imperial flag was banned after WW2. Its also the flag used by Japan during the Russo Japanese war.
Also South Germany should be named Austria, so we can play WWI scenarios on the map too.
Austria and Czechoslovakia were obs orbed into the Reich by 1939. Also, the southern Bavarian alps represent a possible last stand for Germany under AARHE NA called Alpine fortress.
And what happened to Mexico ? You can go from Canada to Venezuela in one move ?
This was a mistake and forgot to fix. The map is only at 85%
Also I am not making Prussia because its too damm small for pieces. Germany will not be divided further in the interests of playability.
I will make a WW1 edition but it will be true to that map in its entirety.
Vichy-Italy border a little east to give VF a reasonable coastline to invade.
what does this mean??
Only one little issue, sea-zone 3 should be split, its a long distance from UK to Northern Norway. Now if I want to play with Tirpitz/Scharnhorst/Lutzow at Kaafjord, try to stop the Murmansk convoy, then there is no way this fleet can be in sz 3 without being destroyed by RAF in turn 1.
Looking at it. stay tuned.
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http://www.mediafire.com/?0z0ixe529kc
http://www.mediafire.com/upload_complete.php?id=dd125dtm1wz
I made some minor changes as per adlertags request. Now the Murmansk convoy to Russia can be intercepted because it cannot complete a full back and forth in the same turn allowing for interception.
Lend lease will have to be shipped to Russia (using chips) and convoys can be intercepted.
The Germans are quite strong in 1941 ( representing the period just after Japans attack on Hawaii –about mid December 1941… but USA can lend lease income directly to allies. they begin in 1939 at 50, then move up to 70 after a few turns… so this also make the focus on Germany, while i will force the US player to allocate a specific IPC figure only to pacific buys.
I need you people to use the icons from AARHE and make a mock setup for 1939.
AARHE rules will be used, except with some diplomacy changes ( adding new neutrals etc.)
I like the sea zone lines much better now.
I also fixed south france and downsized the flags.
Please make a high DPI PNG. Lets all have an exact look at a high quality picture tekkyy
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I think you missed my post. Anyway I’ll post new questions and old questions again.
low-res
Couldn’t do high-res last time because the white bars are exported too. Your new North America continent (and the big white box over it) just nudged it over the max. dimensions.
Anyway I just learnt how to use the scissors tool so its ok this time.Australia
The mountains in Australia are negligible. If anything New South Wales is more mountainous than Queensland.China
Could gives Szchwan mountainous and Inner Mongolia desert.
Hsinking is located correctly but then its weird cos Manchuko doesn’t have its capital.
You accidentally moved Urumqi to Tibet while dividing China I think.SZ 62
Why new SZ? Realistically you would reduce it from OOB’s 2 SZ to 1 SZ instead of upping it to 3 SZs from Soviet Far East to Alaska.Sahara
Why is the fill /colour that pattern? Why does it mean?
Should bump Rio de Oro further north to prevent SZ 17 access to Sahara?Nigeria
Whats the purpose of Nigeria? Might be incorrectly located too. Maybe it should be at can be a territory between “Western Africa” and “Equatorial Africa” instead.Phase 2 Purchase
Is that a rocket launcher? -
2007-09-20 PNG version
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Australia
The mountains in Australia are negligible. If anything New South Wales is more mountainous than Queensland.++++ ok ill fix it
China
Could gives Szchwan mountainous and Inner Mongolia desert.
Hsinking is located correctly but then its weird cos Manchuko doesn’t have its capital.
You accidentally moved Urumqi to Tibet while dividing China I think.+++ok will fix
SZ 62
Why new SZ? Realistically you would reduce it from OOB’s 2 SZ to 1 SZ instead of upping it to 3 SZs from Soviet Far East to Alaska.+++++++++++allows Japan to defend the home island by occuping only SZ 57 rather than have to pull back and stick fleet in SZ 60… Secondly, stops people from sticking to pure OOB rules and shuck stuff to Soviet far east from Alaska… now its harder and also makes the trip for japan harder. Last reason is that looks more correct because those zones would be large
Sahara
Why is the fill /colour that pattern? Why does it mean?
Should bump Rio de Oro further north to prevent SZ 17 access to Sahara?- its a desert terrain and has special rules for it unlike the impassible Mt. everest. 2) ill look at it
Nigeria
Whats the purpose of Nigeria? Might be incorrectly located too. Maybe it should be at can be a territory between “Western Africa” and “Equatorial Africa” instead.+++++++ i think its correct and it is too large of a place to just give it to france. It allows UK another place to land planes and stage attacks from.
Phase 2 Purchase
Is that a rocket launcher?++++++++ ??? huh?
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WOW, great map, getting even better.
Just one tiny guestion, the divider between sz14 and sz15 bothers me, because the line make a turn and touch Turkey, making a little sea between Turkey and Bulgaria. In Revised there was no canal zone, but in this map you need to cross a canal if you want to move to sz16. I would like to see the divide line between sz14 and sz15 straight. Sz16 should all be in Black Sea. Now if a fighter can move from France to Algeria and back, then it should move from Bulgaria to Egypt and back too, its the same distance.
Thank you, and again a great map. How much will it cost ? This is the map I will buy.
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Its free. You will eventually download the map on a disk and take to the printers. But its not finished yet.
Ill look at the sea zones again.
keep combing thru it for other things…
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sea zone 16 includes that ‘little sea’ on the other side. I wish Tekkyy would give you a larger picture to see.
download it and look at it using abode viewer. thats free
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@Imperious:
sea zone 16 includes that ‘little sea’ on the other side.
yes I know that sz16 is on both sides of Turkey, but to me that makes no sense in this map, since we have the canal. Do you need to control Turkey if you want to attack Bulgaria from Medeterranian sea ? If not, that “little sea” has no function what so ever. It just clutter up the map.
Anyway I am very satisfied with sz3 and sz4, now UK convoy can’t bridge units to Russia anymore. Look at a real map or globe, and see that the distance from USA to UK is the same as from UK to Archangelsk. In the real war, the Murmansk-convoys was strategical importent, Churchill called it a war-breaker, and the german naval base at the tip of Northern Norway was the largest and strongest naval base in Europe when Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, a lot of cruisers and subs, Luftwaffe, and 400 000 Whermacht soldiers was based there. A fact often forgotten today.
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Nearly correct on the Japanese flag, this IS the Naval ensign, the army flag had the sun in the centre. In any event, the national flag was a plain circle.
http://www.atlasgeo.net/fotw/flags/jp.html
I agree that the sea zone west of the Bosporus is untidy. My map solves this problem by drawing the Greece-Turkey border correctly for before the Axis invasion, thus cutting Bulgaria off from the Aegean.
Regarding the Russian convoy; does Finland have access to the Arctic? I drew several lines meeting at a point here to deny Finland this outlet, but also to prevent a Norway-USSR border. One point you might consider is the effect of winter freezing: Archangel was the main port for Soviet aid, but in winter it was icebound so Murmansk was used, necessitating a longer rail journey through Karelia.
Any particular reason for dividing Italy?
Nigeria is in the wrong place. It should be in the south-west part of FEA.
The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
I agree that R de O should become Western Sahara, as linking FWA with Algeria makes it an important territory at last. Germany will have to consider using it to move land units from Algeria to FWA to by-pass the Egypt bottleneck, otherwise lose Africa south of the sahara. But is it worth driving Spain into the Allied camp?
The Pacific island territories are worth reviewing, for example Okinawa is too far east and would be better as the Marianas. It’s crucial here to calculate aircraft movement limits, as this was the main consideration in assessing the real value of these islands as bases from which to bomb Japan.
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This map is a pretty good starting point for oil values, it gives IPC/Oil incomes
http://www.basesproduced.com/images/oil2.gif
I would definately add
Burma
Mexico
Trans-Jordan/Iraq
VenezuelaNot sure about Algeria and Turkey, but note that there was no Saudi production pre 1945
The Japanese oil figure refers, I assume, to synthetic production or possibly stockpiled imports?
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Regarding the Russian convoy; does Finland have access to the Arctic? I drew several lines meeting at a point here to deny Finland this outlet, but also to prevent a Norway-USSR border. One point you might consider is the effect of winter freezing: Archangel was the main port for Soviet aid, but in winter it was icebound so Murmansk was used, necessitating a longer rail journey through Karelia.
++++dude this is not going to have complicated rules which bog down the game
Any particular reason for dividing Italy?
+++++++ yes actually… no mountainous territories are viable for sea invasion for more than X amount of units. now the allies have to attack the south first.
Nigeria is in the wrong place. It should be in the south-west part of FEA.
++++++++++ its fine where it is.
The Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
+++++++++++China is still China and the nationalists in 1939 had the upper hand. Im not making 2 Chinas thank you.
I agree that R de O should become Western Sahara, as linking FWA with Algeria makes it an important territory at last. Germany will have to consider using it to move land units from Algeria to FWA to by-pass the Egypt bottleneck, otherwise lose Africa south of the sahara. But is it worth driving Spain into the Allied camp?
+++++Under AARHE axis units can move into and thru the Sahara with limitations. Thus the point is moot.
The Pacific island territories are worth reviewing, for example Okinawa is too far east and would be better as the Marianas. It’s crucial here to calculate aircraft movement limits, as this was the main consideration in assessing the real value of these islands as bases from which to bomb Japan.
++++++++ this is a matter of playability and limited sea zones. The game needs to keep a minimal ideas to keep it fun.
I would definately add
Burma
Mexico
Trans-Jordan/Iraq
VenezuelaTrans-jordan is not Iraq in this map. It may look that way but that because i dont want too small little territories. Persia on this map includes Iraq and Iran.
I dont want too many oil rigs on the map. All those you mentioned were considered, but they : 1) were not as developed in 1939 requiring a MAJOR oil center or 2) are not influential to play.
Possibly Venezuela
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@Imperious:
Nigeria is fine where it is.
Why not put it in South America which is a bit boring at the moment?
As for Iraq, I didn’t realise you put it in Persia; it’s hard to see that there is now a Saudi - Persia border. But really, Iraq was the UK’s major oil source until the invasion of Iran. I think this area needs clearing up to avoid this confusion, I personally think it’s better to place Iraq with T-J in the British mandate. Admittedly this area is badly drawn in the official maps leading to some confusion; you also appear to have placed Kuwait in Saudi to cut T-J off from the Persian Gulf.
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As for Iraq, I didn’t realise you put it in Persia; it’s hard to see that there is now a Saudi - Persia border. But really, Iraq was the UK’s major oil source until the invasion of Iran. I think this area needs clearing up to avoid this confusion, I personally think it’s better to place Iraq with T-J in the British mandate. Admittedly this area is badly drawn in the official maps leading to some confusion; you also appear to have placed Kuwait in Saudi to cut T-J off from the Persian Gulf.
The Saudis and Persia have their oil I am not representing any secondary nations because they are too small to be represented. Iraq was not under British control in 1939. Iraq was basically independent and then followed a pro-Axis policy and latter got into trouble causing the British to invade and restore order. I don’t represent Kuwait.
Please stop with these ‘suggestions’ they are going nowhere fast. Stick to ideas concerning sea zones and lines and aesthetics. Trans-jordan represents the Levant states and Syria it does not represent oil at all.
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@Imperious:
allows Japan to defend the home island by occuping only SZ 57 rather than have to pull back and stick fleet in SZ 60… Secondly, stops people from sticking to pure OOB rules and shuck stuff to Soviet far east from Alaska… now its harder and also makes the trip for japan harder. Last reason is that looks more correct because those zones would be large
I see what you mean. Oh well. Wish there was a better way. The sea zone south of Soivet Far and south of Alaska are certrainly big. But the latitude gap between the tips of both is small. Maybe something to do with SZ 62 having access to Buryatia.
- its a desert terrain and has special rules for it unlike the impassible Mt. everest. 2) ill look at it
Yeah but deserts are just marked “(desert)”, like Saudi Arabia.
it is too large of a place to just give it to france. It allows UK another place to land planes and stage attacks from.
Yeah I don’t mean to give it to France. Just thinking of placing it between West Africa and Equatorial Africa with access to Sahara.
Is that a rocket launcher?
++++++++ ??? huh?Oh. Might be just a font problem. There is a rocket launcher that costs 5 IPC and a gentlemen that costs 8 IPC. :lol:
Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.png
And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gibraltarid0.pngThe Inner Mongolia territory also includes the Shensi and Shansi provinces, which were the principle CCP controlled areas. Certainly the KMT had no influence north of Szechuan, this is why I give these areas to the Soviet controlled CCP.
KMT’s weak control of the country (CCP, warlords, etc) is modelled by a low income and lack of infantry raising power (AARHE VC system).
If the income is too high (at 7 vs. Italy’s 6) then might put Tibet or Inner Mongolia down to 0 IPC.CCP were guerillas during WWII. Don’t need to represent it.
Shanghai
Fallen by 1937. What could we do? Use a different victory city for Kwangtung? -
yea make a new city and i think we should change whatever is where chunkking is now back to chunkking (sp)
new draft adding many changes …. as usual. not sure about gibrater i think it should stay.
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Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.pngYou are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?
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And while you are at it, consider changing SZ 12/13 so you invade Gibraltar without taking pain of strait interdiction.
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gibraltarid0.pngI agree with this, you really should be able to invade Gibraltar from the Atlantic.
Also, if you placed a Blockhouse (from D-day) in Gibraltar, the strait is closed.
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Black Sea
I think what adlertag means is that SZ16 should be fully north of Turkey to avoid confusion.
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackseage5.pngYou are correct, and it will look even better if the line between sz14 and sz15 is drawed straight to the southern most tip of Greece. As is now I am confused, can you reach the Turkey canal from sz 14 ?
As I said before this confusion would be cleared up if you use the 1939 Greece border which stretched to Turkey. Bulgaria should not have a border with SZ14. The SZ 14/15 border could then be drawn vertically up to Morea.
Pretty good job rejigging the Middle East, especially given the big distortion of the map here.
Just to tidy up a bit:
The Gulf of Aquaba is missing between Sinia, T-J and Saudi. This should give T-J access to the Red Sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba
Iraq’s sea border is too long, give some of this back to Persia.
As I understand it, the status of Iraq in 1939 was similar to that of Egypt; the UK had military bases and transit rights. It was only the Raschid Ali coup in April 1941 that ended these privilages.For some real semantics:
“Levant States” is a little too post war. In fact Lebanon was always included in the French mandate of Syria, so simple “Syria” is accurate.
Persia changed it’s name to Iran in 1936 -
Levant States" is a little too post war. In fact Lebanon was always included in the French mandate of Syria, so simple “Syria” is accurate.
Persia changed it’s name to Iran in 1936ON my maps dated 1939-42 they all use Levant states
Also, Iran and Persia are used interchangeably in this time and are both correct.
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