2016 playoffs BM - Shin Ji (Axis) vs Oystelio (Allies)

[oysteilo]

forgot to move units in malaya with uk, edited it. I will get my act together. Sorry

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.2

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 8 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French

Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            6 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            6 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            4 infantry moved from Norway to Finland

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 112 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

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[oysteilo]

Looks like you have selected BM3 for our game. I just realized this. I believe I wrote I will play 2nd edition or BM2. in or PM communication  :-(

[Shin-Ji]

Is there a difference?  I just used the map I had been using.  It actually says it’s BM2 in some places, so I’m not clear on the distinction.

[Shin-Ji]

I just checked.  The only changes are

The Russia stuff kicks in on round 3

Russian capture Berlin NO is gone (not like that has ever mattered anyway)

Japan gets 3 for Iwo Jima and Oki.

Slight change to the Anzac island objective, it includes Solomon Islands now.

You object to these?  I thought everyone agreed that they did a pretty good job of leveling the playing field.

[oysteilo]

@Shin:

I just checked.  The only changes are

The Russia stuff kicks in on round 3

Russian capture Berlin NO is gone (not like that has ever mattered anyway)

Japan gets 3 for Iwo Jima and Oki.

Slight change to the Anzac island objective, it includes Solomon Islands now.

You object to these?  I thought everyone agreed that they did a pretty good job of leveling the playing field.

What bugs me is that I indirectly stated that I will not play BM3, still you select that. I am sure it is just an overlook and not intentional, I have never played BM3 and it makes no sense for me to play that version first time in the play offs!

[Shin-Ji]

I didn’t read it that way - I thought you just weren’t aware of the update or something.  Or maybe confused by the labeling - it does still say 2.2 when you select the map, I think.

[Shin-Ji]

So, as I said, the changes are minor in the extreme.  How would you like to proceed?

[Shin-Ji]

I have a thought, tho.  How about if we play 2.0 and we switch sides?  I’m happy to be Allies in 2.0.  I’d just have to find the file for it.

And if I haven’t said so directly, I apologize.  I never intended to mislead you about this.

[oysteilo]

let me think about it for a day. The game is interesting

However, when I state that I will play 2nd ed (with a bid) or BM 2 I think you need to notify me that you choose BM3

BM2 is probably slightly tipped to allies and I think BM 3 is tipped to axis (based on objectives). No need for the new Iwo Okinava f. ex (besides the point)

If we choose side on equal standing (as I feel we did not) then there is no need for a bid. Will you take axis in BM2 without a bid?

[Shin-Ji]

No, I will not take Axis in BM2 with no bid.  Typically I see bids for that.

BM3 is better in every way.  Truthfully, I have no interest in playing other games.

If you want to be butthurt about this, that’s your right.  I honestly don’t care.

[oysteilo]

I will look into it a little more tonight. I guess I should have noticed before, especially during Japan. However, I did not even consider you would choose BM3 since I said what I did (which I actually can prove).

Butthurt? Please dont humiliate yourself with such crap. You did the error (on purpose?), not me.

[oysteilo]

Honestly I think this is pretty easy. The key point is that I would not agree to play BM3. Therefore there are two options

1. Start a new game with BM2 (kind of interesting that you offer me the axis in BM2, but won’t take them yourself without a bid?) and bid for Axis
2. Continue this game as BM2 and edit the objectives as we proceed.

Your choice!

[gamerman01]

<sigh>you guys seemed to be doing fine through reply #35 when Shin Ji unfortunately attacked out of frustration

Oysteilo absolutely does not have to play this BM3 game because he thought he was playing BM2
Shin Ji inadvertently started BM3 without realizing it.
You’re both innocent and there is a simple solution since you’re not far into this game.  I do not know who was getting lucky or how the game was going but that is irrelevant.

You need to start over with a BM2 game.  I don’t want you to fight over the bid or starting conditions, so in my next post I will set a fair bid for you.

I also think you should wait however long until you’ve calmed down.  You guys were getting along great until reply #35 and I hope you can forget about what was said after that.  You’re both good guys</sigh>

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

You need to start over with a BM2 game.  I don’t want you to fight over the bid or starting conditions, so in my next post I will set a fair bid for you.

Well, I’d rather you bid for it yourselves, so do that when you’ve calmed down.  Try to reset your opinion of each other - you were getting along fine before.

Please start a new game thread for it.  Wait to start until you’re not feeling very irritated.  Otherwise someone’s going to have to forfeit, but it shouldn’t have to come to that

[oysteilo]

I am fine by this, I am also fine by gamerman deciding the bid and deciding sides for us.

[gamerman01]

We’re going to give this a week or so and revisit the prospect of starting over with BM2 at that time.
If either player would rather not play at that point, then the best option is to coin flip RNG the winner of this game who will face JWW and of course there will be no official result, and even the playoff bracket will reflect that this game was not played.

You are both valuable to the other league players and of course I want to resolve this in a way that is best for all