2016 playoffs BM - Shin Ji (Axis) vs Oystelio (Allies)

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.2

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Italians
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 artillery moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 91 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking 97 Sea Zone from British with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
            Battle in Greece
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Greece, round 2 :  1/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Greece, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Greece, round 4 :  0/2 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                1 armour retreated to Albania
                Neutral_Allies win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
            2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs total

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[oysteilo]

i guess my complaining in tobruk is bullshit, not exactely great for you either :|

[oysteilo]

i am asking for a late edit with USA. I would like to land 3 fighters and 1 tac on midway. Last fighter is on hawaii carrier

It is you right to say yes or no

[Shin-Ji]

Go ahead with your edit - it’s not like it would have affected my Italian turn or anything.

[oysteilo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.2

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Malaya: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Shan State: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Midway: 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Hawaiian Islands: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs

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[oysteilo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.2

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - French
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 cruiser placed in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 destroyer placed in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 artillery placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Algeria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Madagascar
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove: has removed 1 cruiser owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Guiana
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Central Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove: has removed 1 destroyer owned by French in 93 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove: has removed 1 artillery owned by French in Southern France

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar

Turn Complete - French

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[oysteilo]

forgot to move units in malaya with uk, edited it. I will get my act together. Sorry

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.2

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 8 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French

Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            6 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            6 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            4 infantry moved from Norway to Finland

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 112 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

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[oysteilo]

Looks like you have selected BM3 for our game. I just realized this. I believe I wrote I will play 2nd edition or BM2. in or PM communication  :-(

[Shin-Ji]

Is there a difference?  I just used the map I had been using.  It actually says it’s BM2 in some places, so I’m not clear on the distinction.

[Shin-Ji]

I just checked.  The only changes are

The Russia stuff kicks in on round 3

Russian capture Berlin NO is gone (not like that has ever mattered anyway)

Japan gets 3 for Iwo Jima and Oki.

Slight change to the Anzac island objective, it includes Solomon Islands now.

You object to these?  I thought everyone agreed that they did a pretty good job of leveling the playing field.

[oysteilo]

@Shin:

I just checked.  The only changes are

The Russia stuff kicks in on round 3

Russian capture Berlin NO is gone (not like that has ever mattered anyway)

Japan gets 3 for Iwo Jima and Oki.

Slight change to the Anzac island objective, it includes Solomon Islands now.

You object to these?  I thought everyone agreed that they did a pretty good job of leveling the playing field.

What bugs me is that I indirectly stated that I will not play BM3, still you select that. I am sure it is just an overlook and not intentional, I have never played BM3 and it makes no sense for me to play that version first time in the play offs!

[Shin-Ji]

I didn’t read it that way - I thought you just weren’t aware of the update or something.  Or maybe confused by the labeling - it does still say 2.2 when you select the map, I think.

[Shin-Ji]

So, as I said, the changes are minor in the extreme.  How would you like to proceed?

[Shin-Ji]

I have a thought, tho.  How about if we play 2.0 and we switch sides?  I’m happy to be Allies in 2.0.  I’d just have to find the file for it.

And if I haven’t said so directly, I apologize.  I never intended to mislead you about this.

[oysteilo]

let me think about it for a day. The game is interesting

However, when I state that I will play 2nd ed (with a bid) or BM 2 I think you need to notify me that you choose BM3

BM2 is probably slightly tipped to allies and I think BM 3 is tipped to axis (based on objectives). No need for the new Iwo Okinava f. ex (besides the point)

If we choose side on equal standing (as I feel we did not) then there is no need for a bid. Will you take axis in BM2 without a bid?

[Shin-Ji]

No, I will not take Axis in BM2 with no bid.  Typically I see bids for that.

BM3 is better in every way.  Truthfully, I have no interest in playing other games.

If you want to be butthurt about this, that’s your right.  I honestly don’t care.

[oysteilo]

I will look into it a little more tonight. I guess I should have noticed before, especially during Japan. However, I did not even consider you would choose BM3 since I said what I did (which I actually can prove).

Butthurt? Please dont humiliate yourself with such crap. You did the error (on purpose?), not me.

[oysteilo]

Honestly I think this is pretty easy. The key point is that I would not agree to play BM3. Therefore there are two options

1. Start a new game with BM2 (kind of interesting that you offer me the axis in BM2, but won’t take them yourself without a bid?) and bid for Axis
2. Continue this game as BM2 and edit the objectives as we proceed.

Your choice!

[gamerman01]

<sigh>you guys seemed to be doing fine through reply #35 when Shin Ji unfortunately attacked out of frustration

Oysteilo absolutely does not have to play this BM3 game because he thought he was playing BM2
Shin Ji inadvertently started BM3 without realizing it.
You’re both innocent and there is a simple solution since you’re not far into this game.  I do not know who was getting lucky or how the game was going but that is irrelevant.

You need to start over with a BM2 game.  I don’t want you to fight over the bid or starting conditions, so in my next post I will set a fair bid for you.

I also think you should wait however long until you’ve calmed down.  You guys were getting along great until reply #35 and I hope you can forget about what was said after that.  You’re both good guys</sigh>