Gamerman v JWW (axis) 12 bid, part 2

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@Gamerman01:

Can’t you take FIC without losing the NO, because it’s not an attack?

I’ll let you edit if you want.  Let me know either way

NCM, walk in? I thought if I had FIC I would lose the 10 NO??

[666]

that is the way I have been playing it for the past year  :roll: :oops: :?

[666]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            2 fighters moved from Kwangsi to 6 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 armour moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Korea
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Hunan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 43 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Korea: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Korea: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of French Indo China from Neutral_Axis to Japanese
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangsi: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Japanese from 43 to 45
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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[gamerman01]

@JWW:

@Gamerman01:

Can’t you take FIC without losing the NO, because it’s not an attack?

I’ll let you edit if you want.  Let me know either way

NCM, walk in? I thought if I had FIC I would lose the 10 NO??

Yes, it’s a friendly neutral so it’s a walk in during non-combat movement.  The NO says Japan can’t ATTACK FIC!!!

[gamerman01]

We’ll have to ask the Balanced Mod guys to be sure.

They wrote the NO in Triple A “has not occupied FIC” but I looked at the rules in the stickied thread and they just have the additional NO’s, so I would think no change to the original NO.

The NO in the rulebook says “has not attacked FIC”.  But I maybe do remember some discussion about Vichy and FIC and the NO and I don’t remember what the conclusion was.

The whole Vichy thing is a crackpot idea IMO

[666]

@Gamerman01:

We’ll have to ask the Balanced Mod guys to be sure.

They wrote the NO in Triple A “has not occupied FIC” but I looked at the rules in the stickied thread and they just have the additional NO’s, so I would think no change to the original NO.

The NO in the rulebook says “has not attacked FIC”.  But I maybe do remember some discussion about Vichy and FIC and the NO and I don’t remember what the conclusion was.

The whole Vichy thing is a crackpot idea IMO

I am getting too old to remember all these rules and using them to your advantage makes a big difference, obviously, in the final outcome…we are way beyond the KISS principle here.

[gamerman01]

No problem, Adam is answering my question in the forums.  I think he’s saying I was right (you can get the +2 and take control of FIC) but I just asked again to make sure that’s what he means.

But you’re right, “little” things like +2 and control of FIC 1 turn earlier (and denying me a walkin) have a significant effect!  If you control FIC you have the option of building an IC there J3!

Anyway, you know me, I want to play according to the rules even if it benefits my opponent.  I’m not an ends justifies the means kind of guy.  It’s not the destination but the journey!

I can’t remember all these quirky Vichy rules either.  I was writing some of these BM rules down in my notes, but I didn’t jot this one down.  I guess I will now

[666]

whatever the outcome just edit it, I trust you and proceed when you can……I might have to go back to checkers…

[gamerman01]

:-) I will just use your first map.  Sorry I was wrong and caused inconvenience for you

[666]

@Gamerman01:

:-) I will just use your first map.  Sorry I was wrong and caused inconvenience for you

no worries man

[gamerman01]

Moving soon, hopefully today

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 30 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Midway to Wake Island
            1 fighter moved from 30 Sea Zone to Wake Island
            1 battleship moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Midway to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Midway to Wake Island
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Western United States
            1 carrier placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total

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[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            2 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs

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[gamerman01]

Need a break, so UK later

[gamerman01]

Ooh, I must have told you wrong in game 1 - I was just re-reading the Vichy rules for the 20th time and saw a sentence that says fly-over restrictions applicable to other neutrals do not apply to Vichy territories.  This after it says that “Vichy French territory operates the same way as other pro-Axis Neutral territory”

I still can’t figure out what happens if I liberate South France.

I hate the Vichy ruleset, and I hate how Adam always defends everything he does like he can do no wrong.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

I still can’t figure out what happens if I liberate South France.

I guess it’s the same as any other non-Paris Vichy territories.  Another question is if it is taken overland without attacking Z93, what happens to the 2 Vichy boats.  Way, way too many rules with Vichy

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 99 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 bomber moved from Malta to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Kenya
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Kenya
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Syria
                British attack with 1 infantry
                Neutral_Axis defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Syria from Neutral_Axis with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 1 infantry
            Battle in British Somaliland
                British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Kenya
                British attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Kenya from Italians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kenya to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Burma
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
            1 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
                  British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to Brazil
                  British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba
            1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1
            British collect 31 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 33 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 21 PUs; end with 22 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys

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[666]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod, version: 2.1

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
                  Italians take Baltic States from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Ukraine

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Strategic bombing raid in Ukraine
                Bombing raid in Ukraine rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Ukraine causes 6 damage total.

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Romania
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            1 armour moved from Greece to Romania
            1 artillery moved from Greece to Bulgaria
            1 artillery moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 aaGun moved from France to Northern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania

Place Units - Italians
            1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Bulgaria: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Albania: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Italians :

British Somaliland : 1 flag
    Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Romania : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Albania : 1 artillery
    Northern Italy : 1 aaGun and 1 factory_major
    Libya : 1 artillery
    Southern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Ethiopia : 1 artillery
    Baltic States : 1 flag, 1 armour
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag
    Crete : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Greece : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 submarines and 1 transport
    92 Sea Zone : 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 41 / 53
    Russians : 35 / 37
    Japanese : 32 / 43
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 6 / 9
    British : 33 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 22
    Italians : 14 / 19
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 1 / 0
    Dutch : 3 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 13 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[gamerman01]

You get good dice bombing when it’s a complex you will soon own  :-D

[666]

@Gamerman01:

You get good dice bombing when it’s a complex you will soon own  :-D

yeah, that is the way I roll.