How are ALLIES supposed to win 1941 "vanilla"? Minor adjustments for balance?

[Wolfshanze]

@Private:

We Brits dont kid ourselves that the burning of Washington means we won the War of 1814.

Is that like how the Burning of Moscow in 1812 means Napoleon won in Russia?

@Private:

The peace was actually signed before New Orleans.

It wouldn’t be the only time a British leader signed a peace of paper and wrongly declared “Peace in our time!”

@Private:

Yet you guys love to pretend that New Orleans denotes your victory. The war of 1814 was pretty much a draw.

The British attacked with over 10,000 men… they lost 2,036… the Americans lost 71… I guess in British eyes, they call that a draw…

@Private:

So much of the USA’s supposed history is mere folklore based on wilful self deception!

This Battle of New Orleans was some Battle. This is the kind you fantasize about, where you’d ask “Who’d win in a fight?.. A Ragtag army of Militiamen, Choctaw Indians, Freed Slaves, US Army Regulars, Sailors, Marines and PIRATES led by Andrew Jackson vs a numerically superior army of highly disciplined British Redcoats and Scottish Highlanders”. American History is… Just… Too… Awesome!

We actually teach our history with Legos!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkOeK5AmI8

If you don’t like musical legos, here’s actualy LIVE FOOTAGE caught on someone’s iPhone at the actual battle of New Orleans (maybe if you guys stopped attacking with bagpipes, you’d win more wars):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqkZr9C5C64

I’ll attach a picture of what the average US High School Student Knows about Historical figures at the end of this post…

@Private:

The British Empire was absolutely a force for good and we really did stand alone in 1941! :-D

Yea, WWII wasn’t the first time we had to save the poor British from the Germans… it’s okay, we got you covered! :-D

[Grumphrey]

Thank both you gents for the replies! When we have time we’ll attempt the double ic more! And sorry Panic I believe you took my quip a little too seriously  :-D I was just saying that from what I’ve seen you seem to be the king of responces ’ Round here!
And bless Wolf for the great ideas and putting a Britty in their place! :lol:

[Private-Panic]

Thanks for rescuing us Wolf! It came with a darn expensive price tag though. Perhaps next time you can let us win without your help?! :wink:

[Private-Panic]

No problem Grumph! I assumed you had read some of my replies elsewhere. But if not, read on ……

If R survives late into the game then the axis powers are not combining their efforts against her as they should. Perhaps the US & J are dragging each others focus into Pacific builds?

J cannot win the war in the Pacific. A sustainable assault on the US mainland is not possible unless the US player makes fundamental mistakes.

But J can make a valuable contribution to the elimination of R. J ground units can reach the Caucasus in 2 moves.

If J pursued that strategy then US Pacific builds are a distraction from putting a joint allied fleet off Scotland and landing a constant stream of ground units to trade France and Norway and suck G’s eastern front dry of reinforcements. Until that is achieved my US Pacific builds would be the minimum sufficient to give J some pause. If necessary I would even abandon the Pacific rather than delay this help to R.

A good player is perfectly able to win as allies against weaker opposition. Against an equal player I will take allies for an 8 pic bid.

[Wolfshanze]

@Grumphrey:

Thank both you gents for the replies! When we have time we’ll attempt the double ic more! And sorry Panic I believe you took my quip a little too seriously  :-D I was just saying that from what I’ve seen you seem to be the king of responces ’ Round here!
And bless Wolf for the great ideas and putting a Britty in their place! :lol:

You’re more than welcome… if you ever find yourself along the Florida Gulf Coast, I’ll host a game of 1941 (or 1942SE) for ya!

As for keeping Brits in their place, that’s my job on this forum… I really was kinda hoping he’d comment on the “attacking with bagpipes” comment… oh well… back to my job of monitoring the Brits on this forum.  :wink:

[Private-Panic]

Of course 1815 was the year we beat Napoleon at Waterloo, bringing to a victorious conclusion the bloodiest war in history, Wolf. One we won without any economically crippling “help” from you guys! But you keep focusing on this little skirmish if it makes you happy! :roll:

[Wolfshanze]

@Private:

Of course 1815 was the year we beat Napoleon at Waterloo, bringing to a victorious conclusion the bloodiest war in history, Wolf.

Keep losing 2,000+ casualties to 71, you won’t be winning any more wars… :roll:

@Private:

we won without any economically crippling “help” from you guys!

Oh, I think I know what you’re getting at now… maybe I missed that earlier… but i’ll put it back in American terms again…

So, your neighbors house is on fire, and he can’t put out the fire by himself… he needs the hose from your house… now you’re not going to sit there and haggle over the price of the hose while his house burns down, so you LEND him the hose to put out the fire, and you can always discuss the LEASE later and see how much he owes you.

Ungrateful Brits still complaining about the price of the hose when we helped save their house that was on fire… sheesh!  :roll:

Here… I can’t do Roosevelt this good, but click on this link and skip ahead to 1:00:40 seconds in… you’ll get the best damn explanation you can get!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB5c11jRVbc

[Private-Panic]

It is a question of exactly whose house was on fire I think. But that is far too thoughtful for our banter ……

The US was generous to the UK while at the same time destroying the UK’s status as an economic power. Perspectives differ depending on which side of that statement you choose to focus. The balanced view is to see both sides. Balanced but not as much fun!

[Wolfshanze]

@Private:

The US was generous to the UK while at the same time destroying the UK’s status as an economic power.

Kind of a win-win if you ask me!

I hope you watched the segment on that Youtube clip… very well said FDR!

[Private-Panic]

I did watch it, thanks Wolf. Also the lego war movie you posted earlier, which lead to me watching some of the others - they are very well done. Am considering selling all my A&A and using the money to start a lego war collection ….