G40 2E Colt vs questioneer(+15)

[questioneer]

Submerge subs right away or no???

Attached.

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[Colt45554]

submerge

[questioneer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Malta to Alexandria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to Alexandria
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            2 artilleries moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 mech_infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from India to 41 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            7 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Burma to India

Combat - British
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                British win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese Submerged
                British win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 1 armour owned by the British, 2 artilleries owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British retreated to Egypt
                Italians win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Ethiopia

Non Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to India
            1 infantry moved from Quebec to New Brunswick Nova Scotia
            1 artillery moved from Quebec to New Brunswick Nova Scotia

Place Units - British
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers placed in 109 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 109 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from United Kingdom: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Scotland: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Scotland: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to United Kingdom: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
            British collect 24 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 24 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

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[Colt45554]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            3 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Egypt
            1 artillery moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Tanganyika Territory
                  Italians take Tanganyika Territory from British
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 harbour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC defend with 2 infantry

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[Colt45554]

Well there goes a 99% battle down the drain. 3 hits round 2 to assign. OOL? You scored 5 hits to my 0 first round.

[questioneer]

Yep, that’s a good ol dice whoopin’  That’s Axis and Allies-I’m sure my dice whoopin will come also at some point.

OOL- I’ll lose the 3 infantry please.

[Colt45554]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            3 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Egypt
            1 artillery moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Tanganyika Territory
                  Italians take Tanganyika Territory from British
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 harbour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                1 armour retreated to Alexandria
                British win with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -19
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Greece
            1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Alexandria : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 fighter
    Kenya : 1 flag
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag
    Tanganyika Territory : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Slovakia Hungary : 1 armour
    Tobruk : 1 infantry
    Northern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 factory_major, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Southern Italy : 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Greece : 1 flag, 1 bomber
    99 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    98 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 3 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 54
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 42 / 55
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 6 / 12
    British : 26 / 24
    UK_Pacific : 10 / 6
    Italians : 14 / 19
    ANZAC : 10 / 30
    French : 10 / 0
    Dutch : 8 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[questioneer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Sumatra to Yunnan

Non Combat Move - ANZAC

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales
            1 carrier placed in 62 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 62 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from New South Wales: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

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[questioneer]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - French
            French takes Political Action: Political Action French To War With Japanese
                French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  French take Libya from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 79 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

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[questioneer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - French
            French takes Political Action: Political Action French To War With Japanese
                French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  French take Libya from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 79 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

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[Colt45554]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 destroyer and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 armour, 8 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            2 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            2 bombers, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians

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[Colt45554]

Scramble 109?

[questioneer]

Yes, scramble.

[questioneer]

Scramble all fighters

[Colt45554]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 destroyer and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
            1 armour, 8 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            2 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            2 bombers, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians

Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 109 Sea Zone
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 carrier, 3 destroyers and 5 fighters
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 3 destroyers and 5 fighters
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Germans attack with 5 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 5 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Romania to Western Germany
            6 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 108 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries moved from Southern France to France
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Yugoslavia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            3 aaGuns moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            2 bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium

Place Units - Germans
            3 armour and 7 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            1 destroyer placed in 112 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4
            Germans collect 44 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 44 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Western Germany : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Poland : 2 mech_infantrys
    Germany : 3 armour, 1 factory_major and 7 mech_infantrys
    Holland Belgium : 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
    Karelia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Baltic States : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Vyborg : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 11 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    112 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    108 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Finland : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 5 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 47 / 49
    Russians : 34 / 37
    Japanese : 42 / 55
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 6 / 12
    British : 26 / 24
    UK_Pacific : 10 / 6
    Italians : 13 / 19
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 8 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[Colt45554]

one ncm edit coming up

[Colt45554]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Eastern Poland: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Greece: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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[questioneer]

Something was wrong with the email setup-  wouldn’t save- anyway here is the turn.

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[Colt45554]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu
                  Japanese take Kansu from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
                  Japanese take Shan State from UK_Pacific
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 transport moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya

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[Colt45554]

Intercept?