Okay, I’m tired of losing 90% of the time another player uses KJF tactics on me. Admittedly the last loss was because my 134 offensive punch got 1 hit while his defense was average and that was followed by a retreat, counter attack where he got 100% accuracy sinking the remnants of the fleet in one round. And while I think that might work, I think it was more of a “I knew it was comming and planned for it.”
So, without going into details of what I did, I went for 20% army, 80% navy in that game. Mainly because Germany was 100% against Russia leaving W. Europe, S. Europe and Balkans empty on Rounds 1 - 4 so I could put maximum pressure on Moscow.
With that out of the way, who has a good, strong, KJF defense?
There are different flavors of KJF, so there have to be different flavors of KJF defense.
Note to jsp4563; I think ezto’s flavor of KJF defense is decent. I think that what ezto was thinking about was the KJF variety in which the Russians put 6 inf on Burytia, and the UK splits its India fleet to attack the Japanese Kwangtung transport, destroy the Japanese sub at Solomon Islands with UK destroyer and transport, and land UK fighter in Africa after retaking Anglo-Egypt.
That is to say, at the end of J1, the UK has a carrier running away; the UK transport and destroyer in the Indian Ocean are destroyed, Japan killed 6 Russian infantry at Burytia, probably only losing 2 infantry in return, Japan took control of China, US has no offensive units in the Pacific capable of immediately attacking Japan. US should probably build 1 trns 1 sub 1 AC 1 fighter for US fleet at Western US for US fleet at end of US1 of 2 trn, 2 sub, 1 destr, 2 AC, 4 fighter, 1 battleship, but if that fleet sails into the Pacific on US2, that fleet still won’t be in position to threaten any major Japanese islands until US3; even if the US fleet advances, the Japanese will still have their own large navy to fend off the US navy; in the meantime, there’s nothing to slow the Japanese attack in Asia.
Not attacking pearl is a recipe for disaster.
QFT
…for US fleet at end of US1 of 2 trn, 2 sub, 1 destr, 2 AC, 4 fighter, 1 battleship, but if that fleet sails into the Pacific on US2, that fleet still won’t be in position to threaten any major Japanese islands until US3; even if the US fleet advances, the Japanese will still have their own large navy to fend off the US navy; in the meantime, there’s nothing to slow the Japanese attack in Asia.
As Japan, I’d hate to have that fleet in my backyard. And if the US moves that fleet to solomons on US2, a japanese attack on it would result in near anhilation of the Japanese fleet and airforce. Japan needs those assets for it’s asian strategy, the US can afford to lose the entire fleet without any real consequences.
Thats why you dont attack the US fleet on the Solomons.
While I have had some success not attacking Pearl, in an all out KJF I think you may be better off hitting Pearl and hitting it hard. If you go heavy it deters a US Counterstrike on US1. If the US does counter attack they will be left with little to no units. Japan still has the East Indies fleet and the US (if they countered) would have no capital ships. Advantage Japan. I also don’t like the idea of just leaving the US an AC, make pay for it if they want to build a fleet.
Thats why you dont attack the US fleet on the Solomons.
and if you don’t the us will be landing in E. Indies.
Then move to Fic and feed your navy some subs from the Fic IC.
Dont worry about you islands so much, you can regain those ipcs on the mainland.
The more you play cat and mouse on the pacific, the better for the Axis.
How about a “Frack with Japan” strat…
India fleet to SZ59 (killing the TRN)
India + FIG takes out FIC (killing a FIG)
SZ40 to SZ45 to try to take out the SUB.
Japan has a choice to make…
Pearl or SZ59. Doing both leaves Japan minus their fleet and AF.
In my current game, Japan chose SZ59 to kill…
And USA is in the process of destroying the SZ60 fleet as we speak, with a landing in Solomons with the BB/TRN defended by the UK SUB and TRN…
Japan only collected $29 last turn (onyl gained China, still down FIC). and they are at grave risk of being down to 2 BB, 1 DST, 1 TRN for a fleet, and half their AF dead as well…
3 inf, 1 ftr from india is ot a sure win against Fic
3 inf, 1 ftr from india is ot a sure win against Fic
True, only 50/50 to TAKE FIC.
But it is 3 in 5 for killing all of the Japan forces there, including a FIG, which secures india another round AND reduces the forces available for China.
With that out of the way, who has a good, strong, KJF defense?
can you give Japan some of the bid?
Not sure your bid amount……
Also, I would stress to be very safe with your units in Asia
Move in large stacks, this way you will not be picked apart.
Extreme conservatism should keep Japan alive long enough for Germany to take advantage of no US pressure from the west.
@ncscswitch:
How about a “Frack with Japan” strat…
India fleet to SZ59 (killing the TRN)
India + FIG takes out FIC (killing a FIG)
SZ40 to SZ45 to try to take out the SUB.Japan has a choice to make…
Pearl or SZ59. Doing both leaves Japan minus their fleet and AF.
Couldn’t Japan just do a pearl light? Really light: 1 des, 2 fig, 1 bom (assuming sub is sunk, other wise he’d join). Assuming they they lose a Des and a fig then send in 1AC, 1 BB, 1trn, 2 fig to SZ59 where they’ll pry lose 1 fig and 1trn. The SZ60 BB could join a battle but I assumed he’d hang with the carrier at wake to protect it from a counter. I suppose including the FIC you’re out 3 fig, but you did manage to take out both fleets and only lose 2fig, 1trn and 1des and pry expecting to lose the des and fig anyways.
Though I will admit if one of the battles goes against them they will be hurting.
And you are still down economy, and have achieved nothing extra in terms of destroying Allied forces in Asia, just the same kills that are usually made.
@ncscswitch:
And you are still down economy, and have achieved nothing extra in terms of destroying Allied forces in Asia, just the same kills that are usually made.
I agree. In fact, I very much like this move you made and will probably try it out very soon!!! :evil:
However, I was just saying that you can hit both fleets successfully and have a minor air force.
@ncscswitch:
3 inf, 1 ftr from india is ot a sure win against Fic
True, only 50/50 to TAKE FIC.
But it is 3 in 5 for killing all of the Japan forces there, including a FIG, which secures india another round AND reduces the forces available for China.
C’mon Switch. That is a huge gamble. The average result is a cleared territory which means the UK fighter dies with the Japanese fighter. What’s left after that, 2 inf, 1 AA in the middle east and no Egypt counterattack. That’s a big gift to be giving Germany if it goes average.
C’mon Switch. That is a huge gamble. The average result is a cleared territory which means the UK fighter dies with the Japanese fighter. What’s left after that, 2 inf, 1 AA in the middle east and no Egypt counterattack. That’s a big gift to be giving Germany if it goes average.
Agreed. It is not worth the risk.
Even if you just clear the territory, Japan can;t follow up and capitalize and take India on J1 since they lack manpower in FIC (and the SZ59 TRN is dead). So, while UK may not re-take Egypt, they keep India (which you basically surrender on an India counter).
You still damage the Japan Navy with your UK fleet, sinking a ship, maybe two depending on how many BB’s are brought to SZ59
You still bleed off forces from Pearl, increasing the casualties there
And you bleed off/kill FIGs increasing casualty rates for China on J1, and for future battles due to lost airpower (from the FIC attack, and then from attacks in SZ59 and Pearl)
If it goes terribly wrong, what have you lost as UK? You are gambling on nearly equal forces, and can ALWAYS RETREAT if round 1 dice go wrong (you CAN’T lose the UK FIG on the first round, even with the worst possible dice).
I like that there are alternates out there. Im getting tired of the same shit over and over.
I like that there are alternates out there. Im getting tired of the same sh*t over and over.
Yeah I was about to say that I definently want to try some of this stuff out to make a different game. UK basically can sacrifice it’s stuff around Japan because who actually counts on keeping that for long anyway
@ncscswitch:
Even if you just clear the territory, Japan can;t follow up and capitalize and take India on J1 since they lack manpower in FIC (and the SZ59 TRN is dead). So, while UK may not re-take Egypt, they keep India (which you basically surrender on an India counter).
You still damage the Japan Navy with your UK fleet, sinking a ship, maybe two depending on how many BB’s are brought to SZ59
You still bleed off forces from Pearl, increasing the casualties there
And you bleed off/kill FIGs increasing casualty rates for China on J1, and for future battles due to lost airpower (from the FIC attack, and then from attacks in SZ59 and Pearl)If it goes terribly wrong, what have you lost as UK? You are gambling on nearly equal forces, and can ALWAYS RETREAT if round 1 dice go wrong (you CAN’T lose the UK FIG on the first round, even with the worst possible dice).
Giving Germany a free armor blitz through Africa is far more damaging than keeping India for a few extra turns.
And I never bleed off forces that are going to sz52. Either I go in with overwhelming force or I don’t go in. Gambling with Japans navy is a sure way to get beaten.
And if it comes down to having to split my forces to attack sz52, sz59, and China, I will attack sz52 and only make one of the two other attacks, usually sz59. Eliminating the UK naval threat allows Japan to focus their entire navy on the US and it doesn’t hurt my feelings to let the China fighter survive because the US/UK forces in Asia are limited and Russia will have a hard time reinforcing Asia with Germany sending 40+ IPC’s worth of units at them every turn.
If you aren’t going to counterattack Egypt with the UK fighter then you would probably be better off using it to help attack the Japanese sub and then adding it to the US forces in sz52. At least that way, you give the US better odds with a counterattack in sz52 on their turn or even preserve that fleet entirely if Japan decides against attacking it.
