ACGTO NE Balladeer (Carolingians) vs Dizzkneeland33 (Coalition)

[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss moved from Galicia to Transylvania
            1 Fusiliers, 2 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Brandenburg to Mecklenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Pomerania to Mecklenburg

Purchase Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia buy 3 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - KingdomOfPrussia
            Battle in Mecklenburg
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 2 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer
                Sweden defend with 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Mecklenburg from Sweden with 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer
                Casualties for Sweden: 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness
            Battle in Transylvania
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Fusiliers
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Transylvania from OttomanEmpire with 1 Artillery and 1 Fusiliers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss moved from Galicia to Moldavia
            1 Artillery, 4 Chasseurss, 4 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Howitzer and 1 Hussars moved from Magdeburg to Brandenburg
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Hussars moved from Pomerania to Brandenburg
            1 Hussars moved from Prussia to Brandenburg

Place Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            3 Chasseurss placed in Brandenburg
            2 Fusilierss placed in Prussia

Turn Complete - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

Territory Summary for KingdomOfPrussia :

Brandenburg : 2 Artillerys, 9 Chasseurss, 4 Dragoonss, 1 Fortress, 4 Fusilierss, 1 General, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Howitzer, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortars
    Saxony : 1 Fusiliers
    Pomerania : 1 Fusiliers
    Transylvania : 1 Artillery and 1 Fusiliers
    Prussia : 1 Capital, 4 Chasseurss, 2 Fortresss, 4 Fusilierss and 2 Mortella_Towers
    Mecklenburg : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss
    Magdeburg : 1 Fusiliers
    Moldavia : 1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 51 / 56
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 37 / 27
    KingdomOfPrussia : 23 / 23
    Sweden : 17 / 28
    AustrianEmpire : 29 / 30
    OttomanEmpire : 30 / 32
    Russia : 37 / 37

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Barque moved from SZ4 to SZ6
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from Svealand to SZ6
            1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ6 to SZ4
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ4 to Esthonia
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Ostra Gotaland to Skane
            1 Chasseurs moved from Skane to Ostra Gotaland
            1 Marines moved from Skane to SZ10
            1 Battleship and 1 Marines moved from SZ10 to SZ9
            1 Marines moved from SZ9 to Pomerania
            1 Fusiliers moved from Skane to SZ10
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ10 to SZ7
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ7 to Latvia
                  Sweden take Latvia from Russia

Purchase Units - Sweden
            Sweden buy 2 Brigantines and 2 Mariness; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Sweden
            Battle in Esthonia
                Sweden attack with 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines
                Russia defend with 1 Dragoons
                Sweden win, taking Esthonia from Russia with 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Dragoons
            Battle in Pomerania
                Sweden attack with 1 Marines
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                Sweden win, taking Pomerania from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ6 to SZ3
            1 Dragoons moved from Svealand to Ostra Gotaland

Place Units - Sweden
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Sweden from Skane: 1 Marines
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Sweden to Ostra Gotaland: 1 Marines
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 Brigantines placed in SZ6
            2 Mariness placed in Svealand

Turn Complete - Sweden
            Sweden collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            1 Artillery and 2 Chasseurss moved from Bosnia to Serbia
            1 Dragoons moved from Thessaly to Serbia
            1 Chasseurs moved from Slavonia to Serbia

Purchase Units - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire buy 2 Chasseurss and 5 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - AustrianEmpire
            Battle in Serbia
                AustrianEmpire attack with 1 Artillery, 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss
                AustrianEmpire win, taking Serbia from OttomanEmpire with 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Artillery

Non Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss moved from Austria to Salzburg
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Dragoons moved from Zala to Austria
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Dragoons moved from Bosnia to Zala

Place Units - AustrianEmpire
            2 Fusilierss placed in Zala
            2 Chasseurss and 3 Fusilierss placed in Austria

Turn Complete - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs total

Territory Summary for AustrianEmpire :

Slavonia : 1 Fortress
    Tyrol : 1 Fusiliers
    Bosnia : 1 flag
    Bohemia : 1 Fusiliers
    Zala : 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 2 Fusilierss and 1 General
    Albania : 1 flag
    Austria : 1 Capital, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss and 2 Mortella_Towers
    Salzburg : 1 Artillery, 7 Chasseurss, 1 Fortress, 6 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Howitzer
    Hollande : 2 Mortella_Towers
    Serbia : 1 flag, 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons
    Thessaly : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 51 / 56
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 37 / 27
    KingdomOfPrussia : 20 / 23
    Sweden : 23 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 30 / 30
    OttomanEmpire : 29 / 32
    Russia : 34 / 37

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Dragoons moved from Macedonia to Albania
                  OttomanEmpire take Albania from AustrianEmpire
            1 Dragoons moved from Albania to Serbia
            3 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys moved from Macedonia to Serbia
            1 Artillery moved from Bulgaria to Serbia

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 8 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - OttomanEmpire
            Battle in Serbia
                OttomanEmpire attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys
                AustrianEmpire defend with 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Serbia from AustrianEmpire with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 2 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria
            1 Dragoons moved from Anatolia to Constantinople
            4 Fusilierss moved from Anatolia to Kiutayeh
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Karamania to Kiutayeh
            1 Artillery and 4 Fusilierss moved from Karamania to Lazes
            4 Fusilierss moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            2 Fusilierss placed in Bulgaria
            5 Fusilierss placed in Constantinople
            1 Fusiliers placed in Anatolia
            OttomanEmpire undo move 3.
            1 Fusiliers placed in Constantinople

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Dragoons moved from Macedonia to Albania
                  OttomanEmpire take Albania from AustrianEmpire
            1 Dragoons moved from Albania to Serbia
            3 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys moved from Macedonia to Serbia
            1 Artillery moved from Bulgaria to Serbia

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 8 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - OttomanEmpire
            Battle in Serbia
                OttomanEmpire attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss and 2 Horse_Artillerys
                AustrianEmpire defend with 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Serbia from AustrianEmpire with 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 2 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 3 Chasseurss and 1 Dragoons

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria
            1 Dragoons moved from Anatolia to Constantinople
            4 Fusilierss moved from Anatolia to Kiutayeh
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Karamania to Kiutayeh
            1 Artillery and 4 Fusilierss moved from Karamania to Lazes
            4 Fusilierss moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            2 Fusilierss placed in Bulgaria
            5 Fusilierss placed in Constantinople
            1 Fusiliers placed in Anatolia
            OttomanEmpire undo move 3.
            1 Fusiliers placed in Constantinople

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by OttomanEmpire from SZ82: 1 Barque and 1 Frigate
            EDIT: Removing units owned by OttomanEmpire from SZ92: 1 Brigantine
            EDIT: Removing units owned by OttomanEmpire from SZ96: 1 Cutter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by OttomanEmpire to SZ84: 1 Barque, 1 Brigantine, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - Russia
            1 Artillery moved from Astrakahn to SZ101
            1 Artillery moved from SZ101 to Crimea
            1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss moved from Odessa to Crimea
            1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss moved from Novgorod to Esthonia
            1 Hussars moved from Moscovia to Esthonia
            1 Dragoons moved from Moldavia to Wallachia
                  Russia take Wallachia from OttomanEmpire
            1 Dragoons moved from Wallachia to Moldavia

Purchase Units - Russia
            Russia buy 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss, 3 Hussarss and 2 Mariness; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Russia
            Battle in Crimea
                Russia attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss
                Neutral defend with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                Russia loses 0 PUs for violating Crimeas neutrality.
                Russia win, taking Crimea from Neutral with 1 Artillery and 2 Grenadierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Esthonia
                Russia attack with 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars
                Sweden defend with 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines
                Russia win, taking Esthonia from Sweden with 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
                Casualties for Sweden: 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines

Non Combat Move - Russia
            2 Dragoonss moved from Finland to Novgorod
            2 Fusilierss and 1 Mortars moved from Galicia to Moldavia
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Grenadiers moved from Kiev to Bessarabia
            1 Artillery moved from Odessa to Bessarabia
            1 General moved from Kiev to Odessa
            1 Fusiliers moved from Kiev to Odessa
            2 Cuirassierss and 3 Horse_Artillerys moved from Odessa to Moldavia

Place Units - Russia
            2 Mariness placed in Odessa
            3 Hussarss placed in Moscovia
            1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss placed in Novgorod

Turn Complete - Russia
            Russia collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russia :

SZ2 : 3 Barques and 2 Cutters
    SZ101 : 1 Barque and 1 Battleship
    Astrakahn : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Wallachia : 1 flag
    Mordvins : 1 flag
    Tsaritsyn : 1 flag
    Minsk : 1 Fortress
    Odessa : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General, 1 Hussars and 2 Mariness
    Novgorod : 1 Artillery, 2 Dragoonss, 1 Encampment and 2 Fusilierss
    Karelia : 1 flag
    Finland : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Howitzer
    Crimea : 1 flag, 1 Artillery and 2 Grenadierss
    SZ103 : 1 Barque
    Moscovia : 1 Capital, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Esthonia : 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars
    Moldavia : 1 flag, 2 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons, 6 Fusilierss, 3 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer and 1 Mortars
    Bessarabia : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Grenadiers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 51 / 56
    UnitedKingdom : 48 / 44
    Spain : 37 / 27
    KingdomOfPrussia : 20 / 23
    Sweden : 21 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 30
    OttomanEmpire : 30 / 31
    Russia : 39 / 39

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Politics - France

Combat Move - France
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Anjou to Brittany
            1 Fusiliers moved from Orleanais to Normandy
            1 Howitzer moved from Anjou to Normandy
            3 Dragoonss, 4 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss moved from Cologne to Hanovre
            1 Cuirassiers and 2 Hussarss moved from Hesse to Hanovre
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Hesse to Magdeburg
            2 Dragoonss, 2 Horse_Artillerys and 2 Hussarss moved from Hesse to Hanovre
            3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 12 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 6 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss moved from Hesse to Saxony
            2 Barques and 2 Brigantines moved from SZ82 to SZ84
            1 Cutter moved from SZ80 to SZ82

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 3 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss, 2 Horse_Artillerys, 2 Howitzers and 3 Hussarss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Saxony
                France attack with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 12 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 6 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Saxony from KingdomOfPrussia with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 12 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 6 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Magdeburg
                France attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Magdeburg from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Fusiliers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for France: 1 Howitzer
            Battle in Hanovre
                France attack with 1 Cuirassiers, 5 Dragoonss, 6 Horse_Artillerys and 7 Hussarss
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Marines
                France win, taking Hanovre from UnitedKingdom with 1 Cuirassiers, 5 Dragoonss, 6 Horse_Artillerys and 4 Hussarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Marines
                Casualties for France: 3 Hussarss
            Battle in Brittany
                France attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Brittany from UnitedKingdom with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Normandy
                France attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Normandy from UnitedKingdom with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - France
            6 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss moved from Orleanais to Cologne
            1 General moved from Cologne to Hesse
            1 Artillery, 1 Grenadiers and 4 Mariness moved from Rhine to Hesse
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers moved from Champagne to Rhine
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Anjou

Place Units - France
            2 Dragoonss placed in Hesse
            1 Dragoons, 2 Fusilierss, 2 Horse_Artillerys, 2 Howitzers and 3 Hussarss placed in Orleanais

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 55 PUs

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            2 Artillerys and 1 Marines moved from Wessex to SZ34
            2 Artillerys, 2 Barques, 1 Corvette, 1 Cutter and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to SZ41
            2 Artillerys and 1 Marines moved from SZ41 to Galacia
            1 Cutter moved from SZ38 to SZ41

Purchase Units - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom buy 1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Corvette, 3 Cutters and 1 Fusiliers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - UnitedKingdom
            Battle in Galacia
                UnitedKingdom attack with 2 Artillerys and 1 Marines
                Spain defend with 1 Fusiliers, 1 General, 2 Hussarss and 1 Marines
                Spain win with 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 2 Artillerys and 1 Marines
                Casualties for Spain: 1 Fusiliers and 2 Hussarss

Non Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Corvette moved from SZ29 to SZ34
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers moved from Hellas to Thessaly
            1 Marines moved from Sussex to Wessex

Place Units - UnitedKingdom
            1 Barque and 1 Cutter placed in SZ57
            1 Cutter placed in SZ83
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers placed in Hellas
            1 Cutter placed in SZ34
            1 Corvette placed in SZ29

Turn Complete - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Income for balanced game: UnitedKingdom met a national objective for an additional -4 PUs; end with 36 PUs

Territory Summary for UnitedKingdom :

Scotland : 1 Fortress and 1 Grenadiers
    SZ41 : 2 Barques, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 4 Corvettes, 2 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    SZ29 : 1 Corvette
    SZ83 : 1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 1 Corvette, 2 Cutters and 1 Frigate
    Sussex : 1 Fortress
    SZ34 : 1 Corvette and 1 Cutter
    Majorca : 1 Chasseurs, 1 Encampment, 4 Fortresss and 1 Fusiliers
    Wessex : 1 Chasseurs, 3 Fusilierss, 1 General, 1 Howitzer and 1 Marines
    SZ38 : 1 flag
    Essex : 1 Capital, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Mortella_Tower
    South Wales : 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ19 : 1 flag
    Lancashire : 1 Dragoons
    SZ57 : 1 Barque and 1 Cutter
    Hellas : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment, 1 Fusiliers and 3 Mariness
    Candia : 1 Chasseurs, 1 Encampment, 3 Fortresss and 1 Marines
    Ulster : 1 Chasseurs, 1 Marines and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Thessaly : 1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 55
    UnitedKingdom : 40 / 36
    Spain : 37 / 27
    KingdomOfPrussia : 18 / 23
    Sweden : 21 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 30
    OttomanEmpire : 30 / 31
    Russia : 39 / 39

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - Spain
            2 Artillerys, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Howitzer and 1 Marines moved from Algarve to Alemtejo

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Battleship and 1 Cutter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Spain
            Battle in Alemtejo
                Spain attack with 2 Artillerys, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Howitzer and 1 Marines
                Neutral defend with 1 Fortress and 1 Fusiliers
                Spain loses 0 PUs for violating Alemtejos neutrality.
                Spain win, taking Alemtejo from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Fortress and 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for Spain: 1 Artillery and 1 Howitzer

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Algarve to New Castille
            1 Chasseurs moved from New Castille to Aragon
            1 Dragoons moved from Leon to Galacia

Place Units - Spain
            1 Battleship and 1 Cutter placed in SZ44

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 30 PUs

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            2 Grenadierss moved from Mecklenburg to Pomerania
            1 Artillery and 1 Fusiliers moved from Brandenburg to Pomerania

Purchase Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia buy 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fortress, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Mortella_Tower; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - KingdomOfPrussia
            Battle in Pomerania
                KingdomOfPrussia attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss
                Sweden defend with 1 Marines
                KingdomOfPrussia win, taking Pomerania from Sweden with 1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Sweden: 1 Marines

Non Combat Move - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Brandenburg to Silesia
            1 Artillery, 9 Chasseurss, 4 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss, 1 General, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Howitzer, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortars moved from Brandenburg to Posen
            2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss moved from Prussia to Posen

Place Units - KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Grenadiers placed in Posen
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Fortress, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Mortella_Tower placed in Prussia

Turn Complete - KingdomOfPrussia
            KingdomOfPrussia collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total

Territory Summary for KingdomOfPrussia :

Brandenburg : 1 Fortress
    Silesia : 1 Fusiliers
    Pomerania : 1 Artillery, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Grenadierss
    Transylvania : 1 Artillery and 1 Fusiliers
    Posen : 1 Artillery, 11 Chasseurss, 4 Dragoonss, 4 Fusilierss, 1 General, 2 Grenadierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Howitzer, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortars
    Prussia : 1 Capital, 3 Chasseurss, 3 Fortresss, 3 Fusilierss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    Mecklenburg : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Moldavia : 1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 55
    UnitedKingdom : 40 / 36
    Spain : 40 / 30
    KingdomOfPrussia : 21 / 21
    Sweden : 18 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 30
    OttomanEmpire : 30 / 31
    Russia : 39 / 39

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Marines moved from Ostra Gotaland to SZ9
            1 Battleship and 1 Marines moved from SZ9 to SZ10
            1 Marines moved from SZ10 to Mecklenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Latvia to Lithuania
                  Sweden take Lithuania from KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Barque moved from SZ7 to SZ6
            1 Barque moved from SZ4 to SZ6
            1 Dragoons and 1 Fusiliers moved from Ostra Gotaland to SZ6
            1 Marines moved from Svealand to SZ6
            1 Marines moved from Svealand to SZ6
            2 Barques, 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ6 to SZ4
            1 Brigantine and 1 Marines moved from SZ6 to SZ3
            1 Marines moved from SZ3 to Esthonia
            1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ4 to Esthonia
            1 Frigate moved from SZ3 to SZ4
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ6 to SZ3

Purchase Units - Sweden
            Sweden buy 1 Artillery and 3 Mariness; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Sweden
            Battle in Mecklenburg
                Sweden attack with 1 Marines
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                Sweden win, taking Mecklenburg from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Esthonia
                Sweden attack with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness
                Russia defend with 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars
                Sweden win, taking Esthonia from Russia with 1 Dragoons and 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Sweden: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars

Non Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Chasseurs moved from Ostra Gotaland to Svealand
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Skane to Svealand

Place Units - Sweden
            1 Artillery and 2 Mariness placed in Svealand
            1 Marines placed in Skane

Turn Complete - Sweden
            Sweden collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire buy 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fortress, 3 Fusilierss and 1 Mortella_Tower; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Non Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Zala to Moravia
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Dragoons moved from Austria to Zala
            1 Artillery, 7 Chasseurss, 6 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Howitzer moved from Salzburg to Austria

Place Units - AustrianEmpire
            2 Chasseurss, 1 Fortress, 3 Fusilierss and 1 Mortella_Tower placed in Austria

Turn Complete - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total

Territory Summary for AustrianEmpire :

Slavonia : 1 Fortress
    Tyrol : 1 Fusiliers
    Bosnia : 1 flag
    Bohemia : 1 Fusiliers
    Zala : 2 Cuirassierss, 2 Dragoonss, 1 Fusiliers and 1 General
    Austria : 1 Artillery, 1 Capital, 11 Chasseurss, 1 Fortress, 12 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Howitzer and 3 Mortella_Towers
    Moravia : 1 Fusiliers
    Salzburg : 1 Fortress
    Hollande : 2 Mortella_Towers
    Thessaly : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 55
    UnitedKingdom : 40 / 36
    Spain : 40 / 30
    KingdomOfPrussia : 18 / 21
    Sweden : 23 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 28 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 30 / 31
    Russia : 37 / 39

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Artillery and 5 Fusilierss moved from Lazes to Astrakahn
            1 Dragoons and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Serbia to Thessaly
            1 Fusiliers moved from Kiutayeh to SZ84
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ84 to Thessaly
            1 Fusiliers moved from Serbia to Bosnia
                  OttomanEmpire take Bosnia from AustrianEmpire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Bulgaria to Wallachia
                  OttomanEmpire take Wallachia from Russia

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 1 Brigantine, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons and 3 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - OttomanEmpire
            Battle in Thessaly
                OttomanEmpire attack with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Thessaly from AustrianEmpire with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Astrakahn
                OttomanEmpire attack with 1 Artillery and 5 Fusilierss
                Russia defend with 1 Fusiliers
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Astrakahn from Russia with 1 Artillery and 5 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Barque moved from SZ92 to SZ84
            1 Artillery moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
            1 Fusiliers moved from Bulgaria to Serbia
            1 Dragoons moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria
            4 Fusilierss moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Kiutayeh to Anatolia
            2 Fusilierss moved from Kiutayeh to Constantinople
            1 Fusiliers moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            1 Brigantine placed in SZ84
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers placed in Bulgaria
            1 Dragoons and 2 Fusilierss placed in Constantinople
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by OttomanEmpire from Constantinople: 1 Fusiliers
            EDIT: Adding units owned by OttomanEmpire to Bulgaria: 1 Fusiliers
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - Russia
            1 Dragoons moved from Novgorod to Latvia
                  Russia take Latvia from Sweden
            1 Dragoons moved from Latvia to Esthonia
            1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons and 2 Fusilierss moved from Novgorod to Esthonia
            1 Hussars moved from Moscovia to Esthonia
            1 Artillery moved from Crimea to SZ101
            2 Mariness moved from Odessa to SZ101
            1 Artillery and 2 Mariness moved from SZ101 to Astrakahn
            1 Hussars moved from Odessa to Astrakahn

Purchase Units - Russia
            Russia buy 1 Artillery, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortars; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Russia
            Battle in Esthonia
                Russia attack with 1 Artillery, 2 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars
                Sweden defend with 1 Dragoons and 2 Mariness
                Russia win, taking Esthonia from Sweden with 1 Artillery and 2 Dragoonss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Sweden: 1 Dragoons and 2 Mariness
                Casualties for Russia: 2 Fusilierss and 1 Hussars
            Battle in Astrakahn
                Russia attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Hussars and 2 Mariness
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Artillery and 5 Fusilierss
                Russia win, taking Astrakahn from OttomanEmpire with 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Artillery and 5 Fusilierss
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Artillery, 1 Hussars and 1 Marines

Non Combat Move - Russia
            2 Hussarss moved from Moscovia to Tsaritsyn
            1 Fusiliers moved from Odessa to Bessarabia
            2 Grenadierss moved from Crimea to Odessa
            2 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons, 5 Fusilierss, 3 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer and 1 Mortars moved from Moldavia to Bessarabia
            1 General moved from Odessa to Mordvins

Place Units - Russia
            1 Artillery and 2 Fusilierss placed in Novgorod
            1 Grenadiers and 1 Mortars placed in Mordvins
            3 Hussarss placed in Moscovia

Turn Complete - Russia
            Russia collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russia :

SZ2 : 3 Barques and 2 Cutters
    SZ101 : 1 Barque and 1 Battleship
    Astrakahn : 1 flag, 1 Marines
    Mordvins : 1 flag, 1 General, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Mortars
    Tsaritsyn : 1 flag, 2 Hussarss
    Minsk : 1 Fortress
    Odessa : 1 flag, 2 Grenadierss
    Novgorod : 1 Artillery, 1 Encampment and 2 Fusilierss
    Karelia : 1 flag
    Finland : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Howitzer
    Crimea : 1 flag
    SZ103 : 1 Barque
    Moscovia : 1 Capital, 3 Hussarss and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Esthonia : 1 Artillery and 2 Dragoonss
    Moldavia : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Bessarabia : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 2 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons, 7 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 3 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer and 1 Mortars

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 55
    UnitedKingdom : 40 / 36
    Spain : 40 / 30
    KingdomOfPrussia : 18 / 21
    Sweden : 20 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 26 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 34
    Russia : 39 / 39

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[Balladeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 6

Politics - France

Combat Move - France
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Fusiliers moved from Rhine to Tyrol
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Cologne to Tyrol
            1 Fusiliers moved from Magdeburg to Brandenburg
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Saxony to Brandenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Saxony to Brandenburg
            3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 11 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 5 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss moved from Saxony to Bohemia
            2 Dragoonss moved from Hesse to Bohemia

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 2 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss, 1 General, 1 Horse_Artillery and 4 Hussarss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Tyrol
                France attack with 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Tyrol from AustrianEmpire with 1 Chasseurs and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for France: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Bohemia
                France attack with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 6 Dragoonss, 11 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 5 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Fusiliers
                France win, taking Bohemia from AustrianEmpire with 3 Artillerys, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 6 Dragoonss, 11 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 5 Horse_Artillerys, 1 Howitzer, 4 Hussarss and 2 Mortarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Brandenburg
                France attack with 2 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Fortress
                France win, taking Brandenburg from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Fortress
                Casualties for France: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Artillery, 1 Grenadiers and 4 Mariness moved from Hesse to Saxony
            5 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss moved from Cologne to Saxony
            1 Cuirassiers, 5 Dragoonss, 6 Horse_Artillerys and 4 Hussarss moved from Hanovre to Saxony
            1 Dragoons, 2 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss moved from Orleanais to Cologne
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Brittany to Anjou
            1 Fusiliers moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            1 Fusiliers moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Anjou to Auvergne
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Howitzer moved from Normandy to Anjou

Place Units - France
            1 General placed in Saxony
            France undo move 1.
            1 General placed in Saxony
            2 Fusilierss placed in Hesse
            2 Dragoonss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 4 Hussarss placed in Orleanais

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 67 PUs; end with 67 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 61 PUs

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[DizzKneeLand33]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Marines moved from Wessex to SZ34
            1 Corvette, 1 Cutter and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to SZ41
            1 Marines moved from SZ41 to Galacia
            1 Cutter moved from SZ57 to SZ61
                  UnitedKingdom take SZ61 from France
            1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers moved from Hellas to Thessaly
            1 Marines moved from Hellas to Thessaly
            1 Fusiliers moved from Majorca to SZ57
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ57 to SZ62
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ62 to Provence
                  UnitedKingdom take Provence from France

Purchase Units - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom buy 1 Chasseurs, 1 Corvette, 1 Cutter, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - UnitedKingdom
            Battle in Thessaly
                UnitedKingdom attack with 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Horse_Artillery
                1 Marines retreated to Hellas
                OttomanEmpire win with 1 Dragoons and 1 Fusiliers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Horse_Artillery
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Artillery, 2 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Galacia
                UnitedKingdom attack with 1 Marines
                Spain defend with 1 Dragoons, 1 General and 1 Marines
                Spain win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Marines
                Casualties for Spain: 1 Dragoons and 1 Marines

Non Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Corvette moved from SZ29 to SZ34
            1 Chasseurs moved from Candia to SZ83
            1 Chasseurs moved from SZ83 to Hellas

Place Units - UnitedKingdom
            1 Corvette placed in SZ29
            1 Marines placed in Wessex
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines placed in Majorca
            1 Fusiliers placed in Hellas
            1 Cutter placed in SZ83

Turn Complete - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Income for balanced game: UnitedKingdom met a national objective for an additional -4 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Territory Summary for UnitedKingdom :

SZ61 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Scotland : 1 Fortress and 1 Grenadiers
    SZ41 : 2 Barques, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 5 Corvettes, 3 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    SZ29 : 1 Corvette
    SZ83 : 1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 1 Corvette, 3 Cutters and 1 Frigate
    Sussex : 1 Fortress
    SZ34 : 1 Corvette
    SZ62 : 1 Barque
    Majorca : 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment, 4 Fortresss and 1 Marines
    Wessex : 1 Chasseurs, 3 Fusilierss, 1 General, 1 Howitzer and 1 Marines
    SZ38 : 1 flag
    Essex : 1 Capital, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Mortella_Tower
    South Wales : 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ19 : 1 flag
    Lancashire : 1 Dragoons
    Provence : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Hellas : 1 flag, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Encampment, 1 Fusiliers and 3 Mariness
    Candia : 1 Encampment, 3 Fortresss and 1 Marines
    Ulster : 1 Chasseurs, 1 Marines and 1 Mortella_Tower

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 59 / 61
    UnitedKingdom : 42 / 38
    Spain : 40 / 30
    KingdomOfPrussia : 15 / 21
    Sweden : 20 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 23 / 28
    OttomanEmpire : 33 / 34
    Russia : 39 / 39

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[DizzKneeLand33]

So, the low odds battles I win, and the high odds battles I lose – starting to notice a pattern…  :-o :mrgreen:

[Balladeer]

@DizzKneeLand33:

So, the low odds battles I win, and the high odds battles I lose – starting to notice a pattern…   :-o :mrgreen:

You know what to do!

[Balladeer]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.9

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - Spain
            2 Barques, 2 Battleships, 3 Brigantines, 1 Corvette, 3 Cutters and 1 Frigate moved from SZ44 to SZ41

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Battleship and 1 Cutter; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - Spain
            Battle in SZ41
                Spain attack with 2 Barques, 2 Battleships, 3 Brigantines, 1 Corvette, 3 Cutters and 1 Frigate
                UnitedKingdom defend with 2 Barques, 1 Battleship, 2 Brigantines, 5 Corvettes, 3 Cutters and 2 Frigates
                Units damaged: 2 Battleships owned by the Spain

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[Balladeer]

Retreat subs?