TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 armour moved from Ukraine to Rostov
              Germans take Rostov from Russians
        1 armour moved from Rostov to Kursk
              Germans take Kursk from Russians

    Combat - Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 aaGun, 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 25 infantry, 7 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Kursk
        2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 5 artilleries, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Northern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Vologda to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
        3 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        2 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        6 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad
        1 carrier moved from 118 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Kursk to Ukraine
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia

    Place Units - Germans
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad
        1 factory_minor placed in Ukraine
        1 airfield placed in Yugoslavia
        6 infantry placed in Germany
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
        Germans collect 53 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 53 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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So played a few games and in the middle of a few more, so my sample size for PTV is small, but I have a few observations that i’m curious what the group thinks about.

a) Adding the SZ around Malaya really does nerf the Japanese threat on India. Only a prolonged build up can win there–which I think was the idea: to make a longer game, i.e. one that isn’t really decided until T14+…but that leads to my other point
b) Italy must be defended well by the Germans. In OOB or BM4, you can solely focus on Russia as Germany and just use the Italians as can openers. If the Allies nerf Italy, eh, annoying, but not game changing since Russia will fall soon.
–That doesn’t happen in PTV. Russia may fall, but barring bad play by the Russians (or maybe I’m just terrible with the Germans), Moscow will hold for 12 turns. There’s just a lot of territory and the Russians have enough IPCs to stay in the fight for awhile. Thus, the Allies have plenty of time to control the Med and nerf the Italians. Add to the fact that Italy is an extra space away from France and W. Germany–critical to getting defensive troops into place, and Italy becomes indefensible

It seems the Axis got a triple whammy. No quick wins, and the added spaces make the defense of their areas that much harder, and yet the southern spaces are still easy to reach for the Allies. This means that it’s hard to get economic parity, and a long game that favors the Allies.

My point is that unlike OOB or BM4, it seems like there is a “formula” for the Allies to win PTV. Build up Russia, attack the Med, nerf the Italians, pick at the hard to defend Med landing zones, and wait until the money disparity allows you to just win attrition wars, which leads to overwhelming forces.

To stop this, the Germans have to spend Moscow invasion money early on bolstering Italy, which further delays Moscow falling and plays into the Allies hands.

I would say that Japan does ameliorate the above somewhat. They still cannot take India quickly, but they can grow rather large and dominant on the ocean, which could prevent an overwhelming force in the Med. But again, playing for the long game, the Allies just keep enough in the pacific to stay alive, nerf Italy and the game should go their way.

@Avner I would agree. GG.

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 15

    Combat Move - Italians

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Austria
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad

    Turn Complete - Italians

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@mikawagunichi I am shocked that you can put a checking force in N. Italy. You only have 14 inf and I have 41. But your air force makes up the difference.

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour moved from Northern Belarus to Smolensk
              Italians take Smolensk from Russians
        1 armour moved from Smolensk to Southern Belarus
              Italians take Southern Belarus from Russians

    Combat - Italians

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs

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@AldoRaine You knocked off 5 tanks which will slow me down.

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
              Italians take Caucasus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Greece, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from British with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 4 fighters and 2 submarines
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 2 submarines in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 4 fighters in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            Italians win, taking 99 Sea Zone from Neutral with 4 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Rostov

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.83
British regular : -0.67

Savegame

@AldoRaine Scramble to defend DD?

I was very surprised to have you attack Ukraine…The Neutral blitz really changes the game play, and natural inclinations make me blind to certain moves.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
              Italians take Caucasus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians

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