hehe…good point cc,

however, if you do the math you’ll find the odds are really really close (meaning potentially worth it) at several key points with PE games. Since the outcome of larger battles is then likely defined by the actual first round or two of combat and the standard deviation from those is quite wide…it becomes do you wanna stay and fight to hold Karelia and take the risk the enemy doesn’t attack or not? The odds are that close and it occurs for both the Russkies and the Germans, and in both Karelia & Russia. This is what differentiates the PE game.

In ‘normal’ games the odds are almost always in the Allied favour in Europe and the Germans are forced into an early defensive shell. This playout lets them dictate the tempo early and force those serious considerations backed by the odds far earlier and in different ways than in normal playout. Just add 6-7 Germans at setup and run the odds for an all-out gang rush at Karelia on G1…as the Russians and knowing these odds…what are you going to do? Almost anything that Russia does/doesn’t do on R1 becomes risky…whereas the standard stack of Karelia usually has little risk. And what then if Germany does an armour heavy buy on G1? Chances are you will have to give serious consideration to vacating Karelia on R1 or R2. Or what if Germany actually runs Stalingrad 43…do you actually hit Caucusus? Do you risk disaster? But if you don’t then how do you hold both Moscow and Karelia against a G2 attack? Gee, should you even buy the standard 8 Inf on R1 or is it better/necessary to build 3/3 on R1 as you might need the counter-attack punch? With the odds much different than standard play…you better be careful. The point here is that the playout/odds are different in Europe early and those odds are really close…which means that you need to test it out in a few games to get the flavour and then establish your risk tolerance for potentially early game winning/losing battles with very dicey odds (pun intended). It’s just an alternative to standard playout.

I think it was allowed in 2nd Ed,
or better: there must be one edition where you could do that.

@Grigoriy:

All right, I am kind of new to this site, and some people are going to say this is stupid, but generally when I play, we only play up to a point where there is no longer a reasonable doubt as to the outcome. For example, if the Axis have conquered all of Asia and Africa, they could have an IPC victory, but if there’s still a reasonable chance of the Allies winning, we keep on going. Of course, that won’t happen when the Allies are winning, but c’est la vie.

yeah, this generally makes sense. Even if IPC victory seems inevitable, well, then we usually just roll out for Moscow and then forget about IPC victory as well (unless a ton of troops are poised to take Germany.
I don’t like the “saved by the bell” technique either, but i guess i’d use it if i were axis too . . . .

i really didn’t have to reply to this one, but seriously, how can you be so lucky? even the luckiest people i’ve played with wouldn’t dare that much. strategically, though, even if that did work i would buy all inf. instead of those armor because the krauts would likely be able to counterattack all those areas with the possible exc. of finland-norway.

True giving the Allies even more time to build up their forces.

That’s better. :)

A good A&A player would generally tell you to build 6-7 inf for each arm unit. This helps you protect the armor and ftrs you have on attack and defense. Remember, infantry = fodder, while arm-ftr = 1-2 punch by one player. When G & J apply it to R it hurts. When UK, US & R(inf only, until you see that the inf you have starting turn X outnumber the inf+arm+ftr G will have after his build on turn X[unless UK & US are shipping inf to reinforce your position]) apply it to G it really smarts!

Mobster, sorry, but you lose in Alaska as I build US inf & arm in W US each turn and move it - US2 to W Can - US3 to E Can - US4 to UK, Nor/Fin, W Eur or Alg.

If you hit Mexico my W US force of 6 inf & 1 arm(minimum, likely extra arm & ftr) hits your force.

If you hit Alaska my W Can force of 6 inf & 1 arm(minimum, likely extra arm & ftr) hits your force. Note: If I’m really worried I’ve flown my bmr from UK to join the attack and land in W Can.

In 2nd edition rules – a surviving fighter in this scenario can only land if an island (completely surrounded by water) exists in that SZ.

In 3rd edition rules – when an aircraft carrier is sunk. The surviving aircraft on it can attempt to locate and land on a friendly island, territory, or aircraft carrier. These aircraft have one movement point to do so.

@MistaBiggs:

It MAY be possible IF:

Germany completely whips out U.K.'s navy (except the transport in the India Sea Zone) – this would require the use of the entire German navy and air force. This would stop U.K. from being able to build the carrier or the transport … and in turn – U.S.A. could only bring over the 1 fighter and the bomber (both would have to land in U.K.).

Just because Germany destroys the UK navy on G1 does not mean that the TRN and AC cannot be built on UK1. If after G1, Germany has 3-4 FTR and 1 BMB, I will still make the buy. 3-4 FTR, 1 BMB vs. 2 TRN, 1 AC, 2 FTR (plus any potential russian boats) is good enough odds for the Allies. Especially with the potential to hit several German aircraft…which will never be rebuilt. The Allies can always build another fleet the next turn.

The only time I will not build the TRN and AC on UK1 is if the entire Germany airforce is intact and All of the Atlantic UK and Russian boats are gone. This rarely happens.

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USA should help but it is not a priority usa does this by sendig its eastern fighter to the most western part of africa it can also send its bomber but that would be unwise (you can probrbly geuse why) :lol:

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MB is right.

I haven’t tried personally, but sounds like it would be pretty cool. Check out this link … it should get you in the right direction.

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Mista Biggs 8)

I think the best strategy is to divide Germany. The U.K. can purchase enough units to invade the capital, but it would: 1. Take at least three rounds to build the force, 2. Come at the expense of Africa, 3. Rely on wise Russian and U.S. players.

Either way, you are going to experience massive casualties. You can take them in the form of infantry in the west, or fighters and bombers through the air.

-Strike that-, I am not looking at my map, but isn’t it true that the fourth fighter move from the U.K. would take either an aircraft carrier or violating neutrality in Switzerland? Either way, they’ll have to get past A.A. and survive battle at the expense of infantry, and remain sitting ducks if they land in Switzerland…OR…cost you way too many IPC’s for an aircraft carrier.

I suppose you could take Finland/Norway in R1, and use that as a base for your fighters, but that would preclude attack until R4.

Okay…suppose you scratch the fighter strategy & go “All-Bomber”. You blow 15 IPC/rd on a bomber and say…minus 3-5 IPC in Africa, you now have 11 IPC/rd to spend on one infantry & a transport (R1), three infantry (R2), and a transport and an armor (R3). Round four would be the attack round. You go in with four bombers, amphibious assault, (considering the BB survives), two armor, four infantry, (considering the Luftwaffe hasn’t taken out that “spare” transport), and two “throwaway fighters”. A nice force, indeed. Germany has their average six infantry, four armor, three fighters…or maybe not, thinking you are coming after W. Europe. Let’s compromise & say two fighters, one bomber and the all important A.A. guns.

This would be the best-case scenario. The best I might ever see. You’ll usually lose almost all of your sea units as the U.K. before you even purchase a unit, but if you have what you can consider a “navy” remaining after R1, it is feasable, but definitely not probable. If you are looking to “save time”…this probably is not the best way to do it, unless the German player is ignorant enough to leave his capital under-fortified amid a building U.K. force.

Summary: Possible, but not probable. Feasable, but not likely.

@MacArthurFan:

I’ve been playing A&A for quite awhile now. Has anyone else tried the strategy (while playing the Allies) of having Britian and America buy nothing but bombers, and sending them all to Germany (I’m not talking about heavy bombers, but just plain old bombers). I have tried this numerous times, and by the end of the 3rd round, Germany usually can’t buy anything. Even when Russia falls to Germany, and Japan gets really strong, if UK and US keep buying bombers, Germany and ultimately Japan simply can’t make enough money to buy anything. AA guns have proven to my satisfaction that they are not able to combat this strategy. I am very interested to know if anyone else has tried this.

amen to that brother but its stupid

qand whats this crap about super mega addict crap

Do you think it will ever become unlocked because I would really like to get my strategies posted.

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