Exactly, Dezrt.  But you only NEED it in times of drafts because you can just not volunteer.  So yes, Jermo, you can just decalre yourself a Conscientious Objector and not have to join any clubs to do it.  Just tell them before you sign the contract and they’ll rip it right up and send you on your merry way.  End of story.  No one is forced to kill another human being in this country.  However, there are times it is recommended (ie stopping your wife from being raped and your children dismembered before your eyes, being some of the cases.)

And I’d like to see proof that rape and the rest of your tirade was ever commanded by God to his armies.  Just Book, Chapter and Verse will be fine, thank you. See new thread -df-

Arming the populace is the same theory as building Nukes in the Cold War.  You don’t plan on using them, you just want the other side to know you COULD use them.

Most prisoners when polled would say they would rather invade a home when no one is home.  Not to avoid capture, but rather because they are afraid the homeowners might have a gun!

But you know me.  I think we should get rid of Racial Diversity Class and replace it with Firearm Safety and Marksmanship Class in public schools.

The Patriots could never have a perfect season because the GIANTS will spank em’ everytime.  Tom Brady will look real confused on his back looking up at the sky all over again.  (23 times MR. Brady got touched)hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I’m on Seattle Sutton’s Healthy Eating, I had an omelet, some pineapple juice, 8 ounces of skim milk and a 24 ounce water for breakfast, today.  Lunch wasn’t much better, wafer, beats and some un-cheesy macaroni and cheese, and dinner was just horrible, turkey loaf, boiled cabbage, creamed corn and milk.

Normally the food isn’t so bad.  It’s just like 2 or 3 meals a week that you really have to wonder who designed them.  Hey, and at least even if I don’t lose the last few pounds I want before summer, the doctors should shut up about my cholesterol!  There’s like NO SODIUM in this diet!

At this point, if Hillary is the nominee it’ll be because of the super delegates and we’ll get a chance to use the liberal phrase “Selected, not Elected” throughout her entire campaign for the White House.  Obama’s just plain got her beat 7 ways from Sunday in states won and votes cast.

I know a few Rangers and I have a couple buddies that wear the crash helmits.  From what I hear the reactions in the movie were pretty acurate.  I was in the Army at the time and I was so pissed when they showed that crap on TV.  We all thought for sure that it was on Like donkey kong, but our CinC was a little light in the testical department.  At least thats how we saw it.  I was personaly ashamed when we pulled out.

Anyway if you have the time read the book, I’ve read it twice, damn good stuff, a good insight into the views aof some hard soldiers.  I’ve wanted to try for a combat jack ever since I read it…

If you rationalize that the mother sacrificing herself for her progeny is doing so because the pain of losing that progeny would be so great as to make life bad for her, then yes, it can be argued as an egoist act.

Egoism is a theory that all of your actions are designed purely to give yourself the most happiness or avoid the most hardship for yourself.  We obey the law because we fear the pain associated with getting caught breaking it, etc.

saw it, even in the wikipedia news

simply had to put it :wink: :mrgreen: 8-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M/S_UND_Adriyatik
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mel… I guess I should’ve remembered there’s more that one.

Yes and no, Stuka.  It would only make vetoing a budget a thing of the past, in other words, it would streamline the budget process.  But ONLY if the Congress decides to spend MORE then they get in taxes.  Bear in mind, if Congress decides to actually, don’t faint now, spend ONLY what it has without a deficit, then it only needs a simple majority and a signature instead of a super majority AND a signature.  Likewise, if the budget has no deficit, then a veto can still be over-ridden by a super majority.

The whole idea is to make it SOO hard to go into debt that most times the country will operate above board.

In fact, I’d like to see legislation that states that 10% of all taxes MUST be invested in local government or domestic corporate bonds. (Relatively secure, helps the country or countrymen.)  Eventually, the feds should have enough invested throughout the land that they will never need to tax the people again.

Furthermore, that’s not so outlandish an idea.  Many governments domestically and abroad are buying mutual funds to supplement their income so they can ease the tax burden.  Why can’t the feds?

lol

THis is  Ron Paul thread not a Stem Cell thread.

A mention of stem cells was relevant to point out position statements.  A debate on Stem Cells is NOT on topic.

Save it for the PD venue (I believe there was a link posted to one on another site when PD was shut down here)

Yep, a couple of hundred feet of heavy gauge extension cord would be on my shopping list too :-)

As for tornadoes and trailer parks…

For all of you old AD&D players out there…

6th Level Spell “Summon Tornado” 
Material Component:  1 trailer park…

@JWW:

WOW

Was there a complaint or something?

Did some-one’s post upset a few people?

Things seemed kind of civil to me but maybe I missed an explosive hostile rant from someone? Damn if that’s the case I feel like I really missed out.  :-(

Hope not.  Balung and I were just having some fun for old past time’s sake. :)

@M36:

Speaking of Korea though, it is true that South Korea is an immensely prosperous nation, while North Korea languishes in poverty. South Korea became “Americanized” and now places that where once rice patties and dusty mountain roads are prosperous metropolises. ( I know this because my sister is serving in Korea with the Army engineers) Without our intervention, South Korea would have been conquered, and would be no better off than North Korea is under the heel of communism. The Korean conflict was one of our more noble military ventures.

Sure, military means money.  S. Vietnam had a huge jump in economy when we were there that mostly collapsed after we left.  It would happen no matter where we go.

However, the state of Korea today has less to do with them being dirty communists, and more with the disintegration of the USSR and a horrible famine during the 90’s.  They simply could not support themselves because their primary trading partner disappeared and was unable to supply what they needed, only to be subjected to a series of disastrous floods and drought.  Of course, it’s not helped by their military-oriented economic policy, but we do similar and still sustain ourselves (but we’ve got the goods).

But we took a number of casualties in Korea, was it worth that sacrifice of American lives? As a Marine I believe we are all expendable to accomplish our mission, but the call is yours. How many of us will you sacrifice to accomplish the objective? You should be willing to sacrifice all of us. That kind of resolve no longer exists in America.

Tough to say.  As an elite group of fighters, I wouldn’t send Marines in frivolously.  When it comes to Korea, we are exactly where we were after WW2 (except no skirmishes and such).  So did it do any good?  I guess so, primarily economically.  Are your lives worth promoting the economy of another country?  Are anyone’s?  Especially when that country actually competes with our own?

But here’s the thing: we installed an unpopular dictator in S. Korea that resigned.  A military coup followed that was just was tyrannical and ruthless.  It really goes unnoticed because the economy surged and we “saved” them from communism.  But I don’t think we accomplished all that much.

I’m not sure when or where you guys should be deployed.  Hopefully never, but that’s a pipe dream.

@Imperious:

That was written presumably by somebody who probably likes vanilla ice cream, chicken nuggets,and hates fruits and vegetables… basically anything that has a bland taste and devoid of style. In terms of ideas he probably never had any creative ideas, always thought inside the box, and always followed the rules without question. Essentially a simple, two dimensional man.

Its a fun life but very boring. Let him play OOB for the rest of his life.

Well, I can’t claim author credit.

But -

1.  You don’t like vanilla ice cream?
2.  You don’t like chicken nuggets?
3.  You think fruits and vegetables are excitingly tasty and stylish?

BACK!  BACK, I SAY! (blam blam)  :x

Or maybe Imperious was just being tongue in cheek  :oops: . . . you’ll have to ask him that question for me when you GET TO H***!  :evil:

(BLAM BLAM)  :evil:

Man, I’m for artificial preservatives and breast implants all the way!  (well, I don’t really like the latter, but I support them in principle)

Presidents have claimed responsibility for everything good for all times.  If they could get away with it, they’d claim they made the sun rise every 24ish hours and that it was they that brought the rain.

Realistically, it was the banks that lowered financing on autos, homes and later credit cards and it is THEIR bed they are now lying in.

I, honestly, don’t feel sorry for them.  If they had just held to their OWN testing procedures instead of opening up the floodgates in hopes of making a quick buck and cashing out on their stocks for early retirement, they wouldn’t be in this mess.  And, you know what, not every bank and mortgage firm IS in this mess.

Yea, he’s not my favorite character, but it’s still good, IMHO.

Yes this is true… From Locke’s “2 Treatises on Civil Government”.

If I understand right Jefferson changed it because Locke was strictly referring to property and not to the broadened definition that Jefferson Believed the New American Republic was fighting for (what would eventually become our Bill of Rights), which included Property…

GG

Coming from a guy who pretends to be a robot

What is this PRETEND thing you speak of?

Basically when you see South Park destroy something you know FOR A FACT thats its lame because they only encourage and crystallize the very palpable public sentiment against something and tear it apart asunder. For example: Mel Gibson was finished once they did that “Passion of the Jew” episode. You don’t see him in the public since that episode, nor Micheal jackson, Jesse Jackson, Cher, Sally Struthers, and countless others. They all went into hiding after South Park destroyed them.