@WILD:

Clarification for Variable :
Germany took Paris G1. This means that Italy joins the axis the beginning of It1 and would automatically be at war.

Italy doesn’t have the option of not going to war with Euro allies (UK & France) It1 if Paris falls right? If Paris falls, or Russia is attacked G1 the Italians join the axis It1 which means a DOW w/UK (and France) is assumed at the beginning of Italy’s turn.

Being that on UK1 Italy is still neutral, UK (and French) ships can pass through Italian occupied sz’s, and even share them if they choose to right. In other words a sz occupied w/neutral Italian ships doesn’t make it hostel, and may be passed through, or shared w/ships from the the allies.

2a) So in my above example the UK could slide a transport into sz40 w/the Italian navy to activate Greece and Yugo at the same time.

2b) On UK1, the English (or Free French) could NCM a dd to sz 41 w/neutral Italian ships, and on the Italians first turn they must join the axis by rule (Paris fell) and because they are at war now (w/UK & France), the allied dd in sz 41 would block the Italian fleet in sz39 from attacking the allies ships in sz42 right.

This all seems correct to me. Nice strat!

In our games we always allow any axis power to activate the pro-axis neutrals. The same goes for the allied powers. I agree with Wild Bill that, generally, Italy (and sometimes Japan) is in a better position to activate Argentina than Germany.

Looks good. I’ll have to order them. Sometimes I have a hard time keeping up with all the new markers coming out.

Thanks Variable.

Big holiday sale going on at HBG throughout the weekend and into Monday.

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I will attempt to answer what I can here. I will note rules in red, and my opinion in blue

@WILD:

I do have some other questions about the Chinese factions. Some are carry over from before, but not answered definitively by the game’s creators.

Was the word original intended to be in the text under Nat Chinese (#8 pg29). It says the Nat Chinese can capture original Red Chinese territories instead of liberating them. There are only two original Red Chinese territories in the game, so are the Nat Chinese allowed to capture (or retake) unoccupied territories from the Reds that aren’t original Red Chinese. This could be interpreted that they can not capture Red Chinese territories that aren’t original, which would prevent them from taking back their own territories from the Reds (which would be silly, but fixes the double dipping thing LOL).

Liberating a territory by definition means restoring it to it’s original owner after taking it from an invader. If Nat Chinese take control of a Japanese held territory that was originally Com Chinese owned, they capture for themselves instead of returning control of it to Com China. And, although omitted from the rules, the vice versa would also be true. I will be sure to include that in the next revision.

This question may actually help solve the “double china income” problem. I am still working on that. If we only allow a Chinese faction to take a territory from the other Chinese faction when captured from an Axis country, it would solve the problem, right? In other words, Chinese can’t take from each other unless they are taking it from the Japanese. Let me know.

Both Chinese powers are on on the Allies side, can they both be on the same territory. Russian units could back up the either Chinese powers, are the Chinese allowed to reinforce each other?

No, they can’t occupy the same territory. That is what is meant in the rules when it says they cannot attack each other.

When the Japanese capture a Chinese capital do they get the income stored there. Rules don’t say specifically (that I saw anyway), but do say the only exceptions are for Russia & UK (stored income goes to bank), so I would think YES the Japanese also capture the income from both Chinese factions. Being the Chinese can capture unoccupied territories from each other, would that include capturing income if that territory is a capital. This could be a good move to keep Chinese income from falling into Japanese hands. I Know that in G40 the Chinese income isn’t transferred (Chinese keep it for later), but that game doesn’t have Chinese capitals either.

Since the Chinese taking each other’s territories is still a bit up in the air, I will only comment on Axis powers capturing Chinese capitals. Yes, they would capture the income stored there as well.

The Communist China rules (pg29) don’t list territories the Red Chinese can enter or not enter (FEC or French to be exact). Rules do say the Reds can attack an axis power w/Russia as long as both are at war with that axis power. So they can liberate or capture Japanese held territories with a joint venture, and I would imagine they could also attack Japanese held territories by themselves outside of the Chinese borders just like the Nat Chinese (although this would be difficult with just inf). Are the Red Chinese limited to French territories, and Hong Kong (like the Nat Chinese) or can they enter any original UK FEC territory by design (just as Russia could). Furthermore can the Red Chinese leave China and NCM into orig FEC or Russian owned territories to seek refuge or reinforce (this last one is doubtful).

Since the rules don’t address this, and we’ve never had it come up, I will offer my personal opinion. I would only allow the Com Chinese to move within the confines of Com China, Nat China, Japanese controlled China, and Hong Kong. Remember, they were not friends with the French or the Brits. Hong Kong could be considered a special case perhaps. I will pose this to the group and get an official ruling

Sorry guys, Coach misread the question! I talked it over with him today. Wild Bill, as usual, you are correct on this one too. The advantage to having Russia at war with Japan is they can combine their attack with the Communist Chinese. The CC can indeed attack Japan from turn 1. China can’t afford to wait for anything if they are going to slow down the Japanese!

Thanks guys. Please keep the questions coming. This is great stuff!

Oh yea, forgot about rolling each air unit type separate.

Hi,

Read para # 7c for the answer on this tread :

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28924.15

J. 8-)

Bump for update 5.1 rules:
Damaged Battleships attack & def at 5 or less

Only make FEC and Australia separate if you have 7 player

Thanks!  I appreciate the updated rules.  I will read them carefully and post any questions before we start.

Craig

I’m willing to help someone turn this into a TripleA map

however, i’m not willing to do it myself, cus i don’t have the time (and also never played this map)

Sub Pens were in the World at War Expansion for the Original Version of A&A. I beleive they cost 6 IPC and were3 built in one turn. I found the final updated rules that applied;
http://xenogamesforums.yuku.com/topic/852/World-at-War-3-2
6.11 Sub Pens:

a) Moving into/out of a sub pen: For movement purposes sub pens are considered a part of the sea zone they are built in, and do not require a movement point to enter, leave, etc. For all other purposes, sub pens are considered a separate sea zone/coastal area unto themselves.

b) A sub pen (and the subs within) can only be attacked by aircraft (follow 6.11 rules).

c) Any other friendly or enemy ships have no effect on attacking, defending, etc with regards to the sub pen.
Example: Germany has a sub pen with 2 subs in it on France, and a cruiser (all in the same sea zone). Britain decides to attack the sea zone with 2 battleships and a sub. Britain can only attack the cruiser since sub pens (and the subs within) cannot be attacked by ships. Germany defends with only the cruiser (the subs in the pen cannot assist).

d) If the land area a sub pen is adjacent to is conquered by enemy forces, the sub pen is immediately destroyed.

e) Sub pens fire each round, like an AA gun hitting on a 2 or less, against aircraft only. A Sub pen can hold up to 2 submarines.

Sounds  excellent.
Can only dream, as I do not get to play the regular games enough!

Yep, the Soviet player I play against ALWAYS activates Iran and tries a push into North Africa. It’s a good move and two infantry help a little. The move also forces the Axis to move into the Middle East to deal with the Russian threat as opposed to just dealing with the UK/ Free French forces in Africa.

Of course, 9 times out of 10, the Axis is moving in that direction anyway, but Russians in Iran make things a bit more difficult.

@koba:

Definitely spray.

Good to know. Thanks.

That was excellent. Great work. I am guessing there are no toddlers in the house! I can see why you could just stand and stare at it for hours. Beautiful.

Yeah I think that we’ll keep the Red Chinese in China the next game unless taking territories away from Japan (think that’s probably how it’s supposed to play out). We just found it strange to have the Russians attacking the Mongolians just for income.

The 3 inf standing army is hardly enough to stop either the Russians or the Japanese from attacking, that’s why I thought it might be cool to have an incentive to keep them both from entering.

I bought just the map 2 weeks ago… IT IS HUGE!!! i love it…  I have 5 sets of A&A and have been playing since the first version.  I don’t have the set to play global war but I just use all the pieces I have from all my sets I already own.    I have been playing a cold war mod too on the same board.  USSR and china VS USA Nato and UK.  Yes the games take a long time and it can be hard to find people to play but i love it and have a great time playing.  It makes the cardboard things that you get with the standard game look like garbage. Ill never play A&A on any other board…  If you need special units i just use a can of Montana hardcore to spray paint it another color.

@koba:

For my SS panzers, panzergrenadiers, Tigers I use GHQ 1/285 micro armour painted in the ambush scheme with the JBG SS markers.
http://www.ghqmodels.com/

Man those GHQ models are sweet! If I were rich my A&A board would be made of those exclusively.