I am so glad I brought this thread back up.  :mrgreen:

@Clyde85:

I guess I play from a very different stand point then most people I guess. I can see the advantage of attacking places like Greece and Yugoslavia, I always prefer the Italians to take the Balkans. Gives them a bit more of an economy that they can “walk to” rather then having to spend their limited IPCs on trying to control Africa. So I could see Italy doing alot of can opening for Germany on the eastern front, in my games. I also tend to have the Germans take southern France on G1, this allowing them to have an IC to produce units directly into the Med to support. Another thing I’ve seen done with Germany that I have to say is very effective, is having the Germans attack Yugoslavia on G1, but only doing 1 round of combat and retreating to Romania. This weakend the Yugo forces, and makes it easier for the Italians to take it on I1, but it also allows Germany to move the 6 infantry in southern Germany right to the eastern front to use on G2.

By attacking Yougo / Greece though, the tanks need to contribute or the progress in Africa is being slowed down. I see moving the 2 italian tanks in position to take Baltic states at I2 very important strategically.

@Gargantua:

My heart always feels like it Jen.

As Japan I like it when Russia invades.  I strip Manchuria/Korea because if they invade I get extra money and if they dont invade I dont have to go back.  The downside is, I eventually have to invade Russia.

I would much rather crush India like an over-ripe grape early in the game, knock out the Australians and worry about fleet for a few rounds, once I feel secure against America (assuming they sent anything towards Europe so I have a chance to feel secure - in alpha 2 -) then I can dump 50 IPC a round into China/Russia.

So far, in Alpha 3, it seems I don’t have to worry too much about America, they are hobbled pretty well with the loss of an NO in the Pacific.  Could be better, but at least now my opponents are investing in the Atlantic, at least a little.

@eheroboy:

@ahensley85:

This is being discussed to death.   Why start another topic?   But yes I think its balanced.  See you made me take the bait.   :x

I’m sorry for that.I just can’t find any topic about the blance of A3.Can you give me a link,Tks.

Look at any thread on the first page,especially the ones that mention Alpha + .3.

@mantlefan:

That Italy/Uk battle by big is a surprise. Did UK put a ftr on malta for scramble? What was on the carrier?

This is what I see there:

UK CV with 1 ftr, tac, BB cru, DD, 1 scrambling

Italy: Sub, BB, DD, 2 Cru, Bmb

If you can remember, was that it?

You are close.  UK did not have a BB in the Med, at least not in their battle with the Italians.  Also, I think I sent both of Italy’s fighters into this battle.  The bomber was used against Greece.  Yeah, that battle was a bloodbath for the Italians and British.
We finished this game today.  The Axis won in 7 rounds - 8 VCs on Europe board.  Germany absolutely smashed Russia.  I think our Russian player just got confused with the extra front opened by the transports in the Black Sea.  Made the war much easer for Germany.  Got them a lot of points from the Middle-East NOs way earlier than normal.  In fact, in most of our games, Italy ends up getting them.
Japan came close to getting  6 of 8 on the Pacific board too.  Held Honolulu for 3 rounds.  Then, in last round they took Sydney but USA got Honolulu back.
Overall, I can’t say that Alpha+3 is that much different from Alpha +2.  The Axis certainly had a good time of it in this game.  Since Germany didn’t take London, the “Russia attacks after London falls” rule didn’t apply.  The new AA gun rule is interesting.  I think it still pretty much depends on the skill of players and what choices they make.

@Eclipse:

@AllyAxis:

@coolrunner:

buy a navel base for hainan. Then you can go everywhere from there. And your fleet from japan can reach India in 2 moves with land units. They can also reach most of australia… Then it is easy to defend because of location…

Minor IC requires a 2 space.  Major a 3.  Hainan has a value of Zero.  No IC can be built.

Very true.  However, that restriction does not apply to Naval Bases or Airbases.  They can be built on any territory provided it was not captured that turn.  Naval Bases have the added restriction that they must be built on a territory with a coastline or on an island (obviously).

Personally, the Hainan island Naval Base is always in my J1 purchase and I usually consolidate the entire fleet there J1.  It forces an a very defensive build for UK(pacific) and forces them to consolidate everything to protect Calcutta.  It also makes for a great naval “triangle” between Hainan, Japan and the Carolines.

heck ya. I will have to try this strat next time I’m the Axis.  this recent game I didn’t go for the Pacific map,  but maybe next time I will .  seems totally logical for me to do both.  build a naval base and an IC and then upgrade it later to launch attacks into India and then western australia.  Of course I would need to take burma to get all the planes there,  but there are always plenty on carriers and such to fight it out with.  the tough part is getting Australia afterwards,  but I believe that if I can get India early enough anzac would have wasted resources on subs and bombers and such instead of immediately preparing for its defense.  I could get lucky and the allied player may never see that his navy and capitol are under serious threat,  but I doubt it.  Only thing is if I do take FIC and US enters the war,  I better have also hit the Aleutian Islands and the Phillipines on J1 ( US 10 IPC’s NO’s) and I’m not sure if I’m so ready to spread out so much on J1.

Sometimes with Anti-Air Guns its all about luck. 3 weeks ago I had just that I rolled 6 out of 6 ones and changed the course of the war and the look on Adolph’s face
  I think all of the opening moves are going to be available it will just be a matter of how well you can carry out your plan to make all of the next moves possible to reach your goal
  I think it will be a little more challenging

All submarines do Convoy Raid Damage, German Submarines do it more effectively.

Germany does 3 CRD
USA, Australia, England (And India), Italy, Japan and Russia do 2 CRD
China does 0 CRD (cannot buy submarines)

It would take 3 Japanese submarines to do 6 dmg to England, but it only takes 2 Germany submarines to do 6 dmg to England.

Mantlefan - I’d like to take a moment to apologize to you (somewhat publicly) for picking your posts out several times yesterday. My head has cooled down!

I was reacting to many, many people’s reactions to Alpha +.3, not just yours. After getting off the site for awhile, I realized that it isn’t that big a deal, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. We’re all passionate about the game, or we wouldn’t be here…

Again - I apologize - and I’ll go back to being friendly in my responses!

reverse ur countries. were talking about germ attacking a rus blocker stack.(or italy)

Here is a simple steamroller plan for Japan to go all-in against USSR before USA enters the war:

J1 invade Amur with EVERYTHING available (activates Mongolians in alpha 3 but that’s ok), build major IC in Korea.

Spend everything on tanks (J2) and mech infantry (J3 and J4) built in Korea.  Spend on Pacific needs J5 onward (perhaps hunker down in Japan & Korea and wait for European win)

Move the whole horde 1 space westward each turn, with tanks and mech infantry moving 2 spaces per turn to catch up.  Bring bombers.  If USSR infantry are retreating, chase them.  If they stop, kill them.

The 4 waves (infantry/artillery, tanks, mechs, mechs) will catch up at Novosibersk on J6

Moscow falls J8.

@Young:

@Ruanek:

@Young:

@Omega1759:

@mantlefan:

@knp7765:

Did anyone else notice that Germany loses a Tac bomber in Western Germany?  As if it wasn’t already hard enough sinking the Royal Navy, now I’m down a plane.

I am at Harris Game design and see 3 there. Did they edit it back or am I missing something?

They fixed a typo that was there originally.

if you’re were going to work on something so long, and so important, to so many people, wouldn’t you triple check it before you release it?

Hey, mistakes happen.  They caught it and fixed it.  There’s no need to complain about it anymore.

Fair enough.

Yeah, I went back and checked again and saw it was corrected.  Looks like the only thing changed in the setup is the Italian fleet, the Italian strat bomber and  the # of AA guns for everyone.

I won’t go into too much detail; this thread is about saving G1 money

Which in turn the short answer pretty much nothing; I don’t think it makes Germany react to Russia or UK as suggested by a lot of people during this thread; I think it just means you wait 1 more turn to see what Germany will do; nothing more nothing less.

It can create risk on the small off-chance depending on what your G1 attacks are and how poorly they go but that’s the dice.

In the current Alpha +3 scenario I think the best way for the Axis to still go Sealion is if Japan hits SFE and Hawaii hard. You need to divert at least some of the American and Soviet attention towards yourself or the Euro-Axis is doomed. Now this will make things hard for Japan, intentionally putting more pressure on themselves but with UK London not producing more units it won’t be long before we see Italian units moving towards Italy to help Japan along with a Germany collecting tons from UK and an Italy gobbling up many of the UK’s African territories. In the event of Sealion as Italy I always push all the way to South Africa since it cannot be reinforced and taking while UK is still out of commission denies it to UK if/when they are liberated.

You know, I’m kind of surprised that Larry didn’t include US Submarines in costing 3 IPCs for convoy raiding.  Historically, the US submarine force did the same thing to Japanese merchant shipping that German U-boats did to Allied shipping in the Atlantic.  In fact, the US submarines were actually successful at it whereas through convoying and ASW improvements, the U-boat threat in the Atlantic was gradually reduced.  US subs were so successful that in 1944 the US Navy had to cut back on submarine production because they already had too many and were running out of targets since they had so crippled the Japanese importing.

Almost every Stat. works when you roll real good dice it’s when they dont go your way and you have to change because your winning game just turned into a losing game
  the forum is good because you can see a wider range of strat.'s
  I would go with the 3 subs to a BB purchase, also the Carrier and planes sounds good

Doh, thats right.  I misspoke, you save one if concerned Japan might be invaded by US.  It can stop bombards and is cheaper than throwing a ftr away doing it.

So only save a kami if you think Japan is about to be invaded.

@Cmdr:

You cannot kill them all, if you do, how will you gloat?

Oh yeah.  You have to leave some of them alive so you can point and say “Nyah, nyah, we beat you.”

after leningrad falls, you need to transports, so that whilst you are holding in ukraine, you are REINFORCING the eastern front from Leningrad everyturn.

And on a good day, if the allies aren’t paying attention, sometimes from within the baltic, you get to sack England, and they don’t even see it coming.