@Razor:

After a J1 attack, and if Japan take planes as casualties, they will have 3 inf and 1 art in Yunnan, and that is hard to trade when China attack with 4 inf and a fighter. So basically the best strategy is to just forgett Yunnan and walk a giant stack up north to threaten the money territories at the coast after Japan have taken India. That is if you want to win.

5 inf, if you include the one in Kweichow

tings= things

@SSPanzer:

Yes well forgoing a J1 attack is out of the question, and giving the US 40 IPCs up front is a bid, which is not optional on this forum. The question posed is objectives, our group prefers to give a few bonus objectives here and there, so if you would like to contribute please address the topic at hand.

Well, the option I mentioned simply allows the US to use their wartime NO right away in the case of a J1 DoW, which is not technically a bid since there would be no placement of units beforehand, it just gives the US 57 IPCs to spend on their first turn instead of the OOB 17; leaving the rest of the game untouched.

I mentioned it since your second US NO gives the US extra IPCs but basically increases the OOB US NO from 40 to 45; which, as Tralis stated, doesn’t do much for the US as they can’t really build much more with 5 extra IPCs per turn besides accumulating it for later use anyway as the US needs boats and planes to contest Japan on the water and actually get their land units in range of anything.

The Chinese NO is significant for China, but I don’t think that’s necessarily bad as China still does relatively poorly against Japan.  The UK NO would allow for 1 extra infantry per turn for UK, which will also be further annoying to Japan.  However, I voted that it will help the Allies, but not much because with the J3 India Crush method, 2 extra infantry to India will not make that much of a difference, and the couple extra infantry that China can accumulate will still only delay the Japanese a little.

@amossin:

what i believed, the people i played against said japan could not take the territory since only a plane was in it and you could not shoot it…
they also said we had to have infantry attached to artillery to make it fire…and when i argued those points they called me a cheater

Air power alone cannot capture a territory, but it can eliminate all units in that territory without capturing it. At least one ground unit is needed to capture a territory.

Infantry and planes can shoot at each other without problem if they are in the same space.

Artillery can fire alone. However, it doubles the attack strength of an infantry if an infantry accompanies it. The artillery unit doesn’t represent only the equipment, it represents the equipment and the men who use it. Just as you wouldn’t need an infantry to “drive” a tank, the tank is self-contained with all the personnel needed to operate it.

Our group was wondering the same thing and came to the same conclusion.  In the new 1942 game I had a massive multinational allied fleet in SZ 12 including 3 russian subs of all things.  Facing it was a fleet in SZ 14 consisting of a Jap and german battleship/loaded carrier combo along with 6 u-boats.  It was in interesting situation, neither could attack the combined enemy with a divided attack force.  From SZ 14 the axis could hit Moscow  landing on an occupied eastern province with air power or SZ 17,18, 11, 9, 8 with the assumption the fighter(s) would land on a victorious carrier that single handedly destroyed a fleet of 4 CV, 8 FTR, 4 DD, 6 SS, 1 BB and  2 CC.  It meant using a fair bit of capital ship resources to escort straggling/special mission transport fleets or hoping in vain he would trade a ftr and cv for 1 or 2 transports.

I could have used the Yanks earlier to clear the enemy in SZ 14 but early I required a long shuck train starting on the US seaboard, Canada, algeria and across the top of Africa into persia to guarantee control of africa and to overwhelm the 2 german transport shuck operation into Africa.  I had enough fleet to defend, the Japs were trapped and would have put my america to africa shuck out of position.

@amossin:

just for the record the people i was playing against said infantry could not shoot planes. they also said artillery could not fire without infantry to fire them. so 1 inf to each gun, if gun is hit so is inf… then they tried to attack my artillery and killed both with the inf since they said they could, then they all attacked my tank. i said wait i get to fire my tank first since it has not fired yet. they said the first part of the attack was tanks vs artillery, now second part is tanks vs tank…all in the same country by the way…then when i said they could not shoot twice until after all my units fired they said i was a cheater

Your partners seem to be extremely unfamiliar with the rules. That does not sound anything like how combat should actually be resolved in A&A.

@calvinhobbesliker:

Does anyone know of a battle calculator that takes the rules of P40 into account?(carriers attacking at 0 and taking 2 hits, possibility for BB’s and CV’s to be damaged before battle, Mech inf, tactical bmrs.)

Triplea is an amazing free program that allows you to play axis and allies realtime against players all over the world, play by email, play by yourself, or play against the weak computer ai.

triplea has classic(World War II Classic), revised (World War II Revised), anniversary(World War II V3), and aa42(World War II V4). the names in brackets are the names triplea uses for legal reasons.

pac40 (World War II Pacific, note Pacific Alpha is the original pacific game released in 2001) map and units are completed but the game is not finished yet as the naval and air bases do not work. because the bases do not effect the units the battle calculator works perfectly.

to use the battle calc
download triplea
download pac40 map
open a game of pac40
click on game tab at top of triplea tool bar
scroll down to battle calculator
enter your attacking and defending units

you can download it here http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki/TripleA

I’ve taken it J1 because i was waiting for a turn 2 attack, unlike most, i play to have fun and do random openers not this perfectly sculpted J1 attack you see every forum game started with. Back on topic….New Hebrides never amounted to anything, just one less space for allies to land.

@calvinhobbesliker:

If the Jap fleet is at Singapore, what stops the US from taking Truk, which threatans all VC’s except Calcutta and San Francisco? What stops the US from landing in Korea? You need quite a few planes in japan to stop the capture of Korea, and those planes are needed in the CBI theater.

x4 fighters and x4 dive bombers.

At least by US2, and maybe even on US3, depending on where the US fleet is based out of.

@Lozza007:

Hey chaps,

I’ve been looking over these threads for a while now and am keen to work on my Allied strategy.  Also used to play a bit through www.days-of-infamy.org with AAP a few years ago.

So what’s the update on Japan taking Hawaii in the first couple of turns and then working its way south towards NSW on J4?  Has this been discredited at all, with blocking ships perhaps?

Similarly, what are the thoughts on staying alive as UK in India/China?

I’ve only played the game once as I don’t own it yet, but I was rather shocked to see how much firepower Japan can bring to bear on J1.  The J1 attack certainly seems optimal given the IPC/Allied unit/Japan income tradeoffs.  The only plan that seems to get the US into the war quickly and effectively seems to be a northern route, out of Midway or Hawaii and attacking Japan’s new builds and maybe Korea.

I’ve modelled some naval combat a bit and found that the US player only has any hope of victory in the first few rounds if it can nibble off bits of the Japanese fleet.  Fighting battles with extra Japanese air power (i.e. more than the 6 air units from the Carriers) results in disaster, and any battle that sees the US lose the core of its fleet (Carriers, Battleship etc) is a win for Japan - just like in original AAP.  By the time you rebuild and get in position again, Japan has matched you $ for $ and it’s a stalemate.

A couple of questions too (since I don’t have a copy of the rules):

can you build ports and air bases on newly captured territory? (ref: Japanese port in Midway) can you build Industrial Complexes on newly captured territory? (ref: US Factory in Korea).

The latter is important as I can’t understand how a US Factory in Korea would survive if it was built 1 turn after Korea was captured - Japan would surely have units nearby to retake it, or just bomb it to uselessness?

Cheers!

Lozza007

On J1, Hawaii can be hit with 3 inf, 1 art, 1 tank, if 1 tac is scrambled to prevent bombardment. The defense is 1 bmr, 2 inf, 1 ftr. Both have an attack total of 9, so let’s say both get 2 hits. Then it’s 1 inf, 1 art, 1 tank vs 1 inf, 1 ftr. Each get 1 hit, so it’ll be art, tank vs ftr. Thus Japan can take Hawaii with 1 tank. However, since it used all 3 transports, it can’t take the philippines or any DEI. Thus, the US gets 61 ipcs, and unless Japan moves most of their fleet to that sea zone, the transports will die. After US1, hawaii is defended with the entire fleet in the sea zone, 3 inf, 1 tank, 1 ftr, and 1 tac, while most of the Jap fleet is in the Phil SZ, unable to reach Hawaii.

China and UK will die if Japan plays properly. The key is to delay them long enough that the US and ANZAC gain naval and air supremecy in the Pacific. After India falls, Japan collects 78 ipc’s, to US’s 55 and ANZAC’s 15. However, since the US and ANZAC should have naval superiority by now, they can easily attack the DEI, PI, or perhaps Mal or Kwangtung, since they can take control of it and build a major factory. In order to achieve naval supremecy, the US should take Iwo, allowing them to hit SZ6 from WUS with bombers. This will probably catch your opponent by surprise.

The southern route also works to grab the money islands, which forces the Jap navy to block, allowing you to destroy them piecemeal.

For your questions: Both are no.

@calvinhobbesliker:

The rationelle is that the defenders of Mongolia don’t defend the country, but their own territory only

Mongolia was a full contry, not a bunch of isolated hordes. Still, any army will attack a declared enemy if has the chance and it gives advantage, no wonder if they enemy is beyond your frontiers

@calvinhobbesliker:

In how many games can China attack a territory it can’t right now?

See the map attached. I had more games where Japan taken advantage of this rule, even in AAP40

@calvinhobbesliker:

Since it is a VOLUNTEER unit, it is controlled by China; otherwise the US would be at war with Japan

The FTs can be China controled but they are still USA’s citizens. You can bet your pants that the real FTs would bomb lone trannies and escape to home if needed in the real war, Chinese civil war or not

@calvinhobbesliker:

No, they destroy IC’s since they can never use them

Well, they should use ICs, even if purchases are limited to inf and art. The current dinamic leads to some wacky situations. Anyway, there is not real world reason why China can destroy ICs and, say, soviets cannot do the same as a scorched land strat. Or all, or nobody

@calvinhobbesliker:

Greece and Spain were industrialized nations

More reasons to ban the ACME wall from neutral powers  :wink:

@calvinhobbesliker:

In history, did any Chinese forces attack the Japanese anywhere outside China besides Burma?

In history, wich army in any epoch would not attack a enemy power for the only reason that the enemy units are outside their frontiers? In real war, China attacked Burma because they had a reason and because they had the chance, and you can guess that they would do the same if Korea or FIC were in the same situation. Why limit chinese options then (that should not be done any case) and at the same time refuse to do a non-agression treaty jap-USSR? The chinese civil war is already represented by the fact that the chinese army is smaller than the real combined armies of KMT, CCP and warlords (China should have more units in game, but is OK that they have a smaller army because half of them are fighting the civil war. I don’t have complaints about the chinese army size in AAP40, maybe about the size of the japanese army, but that’s another matter)

ACME_wall.AAM

thanks for all the input fellas.  we played 1 round sunday night, and i used many of the suggestions i received here.  i was bored tonite (couldn’t play) so i put a copy of the board on abattlemap and posted here.  comments?

katfish aap40.AAM

@Krieghund:

12/14/09

Thanks

The AA50 game we just finished the US bombed the hell out of Germany. We used the unit counter chips (red-5, gray-1) to show damage. It worded ok. Even if there is a mix-up and chips go flying (which happened) you tend to remember how many damage there was. What seems to get mixed up is how many tanks vs inf you had. Even if you had different colors to show damage (good idea), you might need two damage colors to show increments, other wise you could have towers in some cases. For at least 2-3 rounds Germany was damaged into double digits.

@calvinhobbesliker:

If you move a sub into a SZ with 2 transports, are you allowed to just kill 1 and retreat the sub?

No.  They are both automatically destroyed.

@Hellmet:

Thanks all for the quick answers!!  Just a point of clarity, I assume that the sub must fight or flee on HIS (the US) combat turn and NOT Japan’s.

Of course.

I use what Vareel calls the chain strategy: I move all ships build at San Francisco to Pearl to Queensland. All Bmrs can fly directly to queens from WUS and other planes stage in Hawaii. From Queens, I can threaten the DEI, and the Philippines. Planes on Queens can hit the Carolines SZ and land in New Guinea, they can hit the Java SZ and land in sum, especially if the British DD and CC blocked Sum. If my opponent leaves the caro open, I take it with just one tr(no other ships if they can counterattack). You should also try to capture Iwo from Hawaii because, if you control Iwo, Bombers in WUS can hit the Sea of Japan and land in Iwo, preventing them from having to stage in Hawaii or Caro. This also may surprise some, like the Japanese transport move from SZ6-1, invading Alaska and British Colombia.

@allweneedislove:

@C_Strabala:

@Tim:

ok, well i still think the rules are porly writen in this area.  it would be eazyer for me if it said you were attacking the space. it realy makes no sence the way it is writen.  but thanks for clarifing.  also i was confused on how was attacking but figured that you cant attack on someone elses turn.  that sentence in the rules would be purfect if it didn’t have the word “defending” in it.

This coming from a guy who can’t even spell correctly. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black….

an unsatisfied customer of any purchase has the right to make a legitimate complaint even if the customer himself does not act in the opposing manner of the complaint.

there is a big difference from a poorly written online post and a game rulebook. no one paid $100 to read tim’s spelling errors. i paid $100 for my copy and am disappointed about the poorly written rulebook.

luckily i have found this website and krieghund has done a fantastic job at correcting and explaining the rulebook. the game publishers did a great job at sending out replacement tactical bombers.

unfortunately they did not/can not fix map errors, small ones such as spelling errors, and big ones such as misdrawn maps, misaligned map boards, and warped map boards.

Amen brother.

So my group has completed a game where Japan went for America.  We figure that whether or not Japan wins is dependent on a few things.

I don’t remember whether the final assualt on WUS happened on J3 or J4.  I think it was J4, and they waited until J3 to attack Alaska?  Either way, the statistics were about a 45% chance for Japan to take WUS.  They needed some AA misses to throw it in their favor.

There really is little that the UK and ANZAC player can contribute to the defense of WUS.  The best thing for them to do is go crazy in the absence of the Japanese forces.  By the time America fell, the UK had liberated most of China, and had several rounds to build up a navy with the help of the DEI income.  Australia also had a bonus going on, adding 2 loaded carriers to supplement defense of the UK fleet.

Japan thought about going straight for Australia, but the UK fleet with transports(deploying from  Kwangtung and Kiangsu factories) was already threatening Japan.

While America had fallen, they only gained +10 income from America, +Mexico +Alaska, while giving up on their territories in the Chinese mainland.  They were being out produced by the Allies, and out of position to restablish a hold on the mainland.

Lol could you imagine? or better… for another $100 you can purchase the module that allows you to attach the maps, and gives the rules.