So far, I still can’t quite pull the trigger on taking Australia T3 or T4 with Japan (even with 6 fighters and really threatining and holding back the US/UK Navy).  That being said in the 3 games I played, I have been able to really try Japan up in spectacular fashion, but it becomes irrelevant as it still swells up into the great Satan somewhere between turn 6-9.  All the while the allies look like they do good on Germany, but not quite good enough to kill it by the time Japan turns into the unstopable juggernaut.  It is starting to look like the Allies can not afford to give Japan this much attention, though I am still curious about this IC and more importantly the moves done w/o the IC to tie up Japan.  Also I am starting to wonder, why not just use America and have Australia as “home base” for them, the Brits could build an IC late in the game if the opportunity presents itself.  This is only 3 games though.  It is almost as if the axis recoverd 3 times from the brink of disaster and still win.

Keep in mind that SUM can be used for naval and acft builds…. no transports needed.

2 fig vs the BB on Haw as Japan, or is that move too risky?
Considering that the BB itself cannot threaten Japan yet, I think the risk is unnecessary.
If you are “lucky” you will sink the BB on your first round of fire and lose a DES. If unlucky, you could lose 1 fighter too. I haven’t played yet with Japan, but sending all 4 Fighters seem like a possibility (especially since the figther can’t really be used on the ground)

I love dangerous battles, because they can change the game. I tend to play all-in when my team is doing badly. I remember a game in revised, where Japan had 2 BB, 2 destroyer, 2 transport and 2 AC (4 fighters), i sent my 3 destroyer, 3 BB, 1 AC (2 fighter) and 2 transports

He defends 6 @ 4
4 @ 3
2 @ 1
What were my odds of winning this?
I had
3 @ 4
5 @ 3
1 @ 1
2 @ 0

And I won and even 2 fighters survived and 1 BB!!!  Japan Navy was wiped out (so was US navy). But he had 3 IC producing tank and was sending them toward Moscow (so no money to spend for Ships)
I still don’t know how we won that game. I mean, the navy fight was actually pointless. He was on ground with three IC (India, Manchuria and China)

I forgot to mention that I usually play Japan and the american player is new also.  I do know that he doesn’t do too much in the pacific and I know an attack on the mainland from japan will completely surprise him.  I just wanted to check the best way to set up the attack.

I’m on your side in LL now, I took the Axis the last 3 times and it’s been a total romp LL.  The way the game is designed, where the dice are rolled, you’re probably going to have a dual-win% in Kar/Egy around 30%, whereas in LL they’re afterthoughts, almost 100%.  I’d say these are two different games entirely.

@U-505:

Second, the logical progression after attacking Phil is to go to Australia(J2) and then to India(J3) and then to Africa(J4). It’s hard for me to wrap my head around what happens if you don’t attack Phil on J1, but you still go for India and Phil on J2. Australia is still in UK hands at the end of J2 so in order to take it you’re either going backwards from India or if you push on to Africa from India then you’re looking at buying a lot more TP’s than just the 1 or 2 I usually buy with Japan because most of your initial TP’s will be too far away to come back and start landing units from Japan. And that seems costly considering you earned 7 IPC’s less than you would if you had taken Phil on J1.

If I don’t attack Philipines J1, I buy 2 tpts.  Those Tpts can take on Philipines J2, leaving all the other tpts freedom to do whatever they want.  By stationing in sz37, taking Burma, Japan will have 4 transports, loaded carrier, BB, CA in range of Australia J2 (Unless UK blocks).  Ground unit wise, at least 3 inf + whatever is left in Burma to australia J2.  The threat to hit India with the same units and 3 ftrs in FIC makes the UK units run for the hills, so you pretty much walk into India J2 AND take australia without being blocked from Australia by one silly UK DD (if you go to Philipines).

By being in SZ37, you threaten so many spots, the allies really can’t afford to try and hold anything very strongly and their best/safest course of action is to withdraw safely, most likely to persia.  Even there, JApan can hit with east indies and burma units + 2 ftrs or maybe another 2 ftrs if italy/germany take TRJ.

It’s not a pretty scenario for the allies.  Of course, the allies can get lucky and hurt Japan by doing well in Burma (3 inf, art vs UK inf), but the same can be said of the US inf hurting that same force J1.

Typically the longer the game goes on, the better off the axis are as they can bring pressure to Russia much easier than the allies can bring reinforcements to Russia.

AA50 is much more complex than revised, so it will take longer make safe conclusions. There are still some players who think there’s no need for bids in revised. But even if AA50 is as balanced as revised, its much easier to make big mistakes and lose games b/c of ineffective playing strats.
Its actually difficult to lose against axis (w/o bids) in revised if the allied player wants to win. This issue can be much more complex in AA50, b/c the game is more advanced, and it’s more difficult to know the most effective ways to win.

The last days I’ve seen several players not using bids in the lobby. So maybe more players are starting to learn allies better, which could mean that in the end a bid will be needed for axis…  :-)
Also, I’m not using bids when playing ADS.

Not so sure that an A/C best serves the allies in SAF on UK2.
What do you hope to achieve by spending $14 IPCs to float two ftrs in sz28?

Perhaps on UK3 I could see that being good as the original tpt and dd from australia can have sailed around the south pole to meet up with your newly added A/C.

In that case, UK2 buy for SAF could be two tanks.

Yes, economy is also a factor, however, I don’t like to view IPC superiority as a “margin of error”, or something that can be wasted.  I’m more of a “save for a rainy day” type of player.  I say, if your IPC advantage is really that great, wait a turn or two to build up your forces, then crush Germany in one blow.  :evil:

@dondoolee:

I certainly would like to play it out, unfortunatly this week I don’t have the luxury, so if you take rain checks

Rain check is fine, PM me when you’re ready.

@Cmdr:

You need better opponents.

Yes, thats what I’m trying to get here, first you had to postpone, and then U-505 is not sure if he can play live games…   :|

I would still like to play against some of the better players on this forum to see their allied strats.

Funny, Italy was the nation I was thinking “heck, just get two dice on round 1!” because they are the only axis nation that starts with all the equipment they’ll need for the first two rounds of the game without need of building more. (Though it helps to build them anyway.)

I like to load the art into the trn, and offload in NZE. try to position it in range of a jap trty like CAR, or like the others suggest, move it out to protect it.

I believe keeping the trn in the area, to threaten against jap incursions, comes in handy, it slos japan down, and provides the UK with income options that they desperately need.  let america liberate afr.

I believe the Allies must invest time and money into Africa in order to win.  IMO the British need Africa.  Not so much for it’s income (since much of the income gained from Africa goes toward maintaining the IC there anyways).  But rather to deny the Italians from becoming an effective threat.

The IC in South Africa allows the British to have an immediate presence there, even with the Italian navy controlling the Mediterranean Sea.

I think this strategy is good only if the Japanese player has fully established himself after a number of turns and has already taken India and has pushed into Eastern SU and also has finished China. Austrialia and the island groups must also be occupied so at the earliest i feel J4 is the right time to start this and only if Japan has 2 factories going and USA has just started its capabilities to effect the western front.

You will need 4 AP do do this and 8 Infantry landing each turn for the first 2 turns then all tanks after that. US player will go out of the war completely and have to deal with that force. You will also need to take Hawaii at the same time so you threaten the other territories so be prepared to land stuff in Mexico so he will need to keep placing infantry.

Forget Karelia G1, focus just on the 3 eastern front territories for bonus.

EGY is critical as is Sz12, you must attack these, atleast kill 1 unit in Sz12, or the fgt in EGY, preferrably do both.

seperate your crz from your trn in sz5, your trn is a free kill anyways, atleast force him to send only 2 planes against crz, this gives it a significant fighting chance, causes alot of UK headaches.

keep most of your armor in east poland if possible. it threatens CAU, RUS, KAR at the same time.  Get italian armor + maybe fgt, to the eastern front. and build an armor a turn or so to do the same.

by just Sitting in EPL, ITA-GER armor combo, forces russia to defend all factories, and over extend in central russia.  This because ITA armor can punch holes for the german armor to make blitz attacks.

ITA is in a much better pos if EGY falls G1 Which is y i reccomend it.

use sz 5 trn to but units or aagun in fin nwy, DO NOT give these territories away without some kind of fight, unless you stack 6 inf in FIN G1 And wait for oppurtunity to invade KAR.

spreading units out to make many small battles in afr is a superior defense against allied counter attacks, because it slows the allies down…

think that should hellp your GER game.

build a mix bag of units, possibly a bmb a turn, or 2+ tanks a turn to support EPL, lots of inf, myb factory in POL early, especially if your enemy builds bmbs to sbr you.

all typed on my cell phone so, i’m sorry if its ugly.

and if playing tech, keep 2 dice goin, esp G1 lng rng fgts or hv bmb, even ss, are a big advantage for opening attacks.

I think KJF is doable, but it requires UK and US to work together by splitting the Japanese fleet.  If the US goes all Pacific, it must threaten Japan with a direct invasion on Tokyo, while UK via Australia and India island hops to take back it’s territory.  Perhaps Russia may slowly build up it’s Eastern infantry and invade Manchuria, or help via China.

Personally, I think this is a much more viable strategy that KGF or KIF.  Japan left unchecked spreads like a disease.  :-P

I rolled 3 1’s on Germany’s fighters in the G1 Karelia attack once.  Nobody’s dared try it since.

@Chi:

So again the question is asked, the standard/default game, 1941 with no optional rules and therefore without National Objectives does the default game favor the Allies?  I’m curious what you all think?

Most players here agree that w/o optional rules allies have advantage in -41, and with NOs 41 is favored to axis.

I think you can win against me if you play axis and I’m allies in 41 w/o optional rules. I lost a couple of games with this setting.

With NOs on, I don’t think you will win against me anymore than you will win against me or other decent players if you are axis in Revised playing w/o bids.