In order to defeat a defending army worth ~150 IPC, you’d need to spend ~200 IPC.  I generally find this to be the case is for larger battles, say minimum of at least 10 defending units.  Of course it varies by players aggressiveness or risk factor or a couple of other things.

This is true b/c it is extremely easy to defend.  As you both point, Infantry are unmatched it that department.

So attackers need to outspend defenders ~4:3 in order to take.  You need more if it is a combined attack, for example a UK-US 1-2, or perhaps less depending on how much you want to take with, or if you have lots of air, tanks can really move 2 spaces, or something else.

I look at it as simply an easy guideline, like usind a LL method to see if I have “avg” shot at taking, not a hard hitting “must play by” rule.  I think of the same thing with the 3:1:1 army.  It’s a nice guideline but rarely do I ever actually have that in games.

As for my army for 150, I’d probably have something like:

26 inf
8 rt
8 arm

Units:  42
Att:  74
Def:  92

Or

23 inf
9 rt
9 arm

Units:  41
Att:  77
Def:  91

@ncscswitch:

That is what my DAAK record shows…

lol srsly?

OK, UK would not be liberating it FROM the Russians, it would be FOR them.

On the turn that UK liberates Caucuses, the UK cannot land their FIGs there.  However, later in the same turn, the United States CAN land FIGs there.

The restriction is that to land a FIG in a territory, the territory MUST have been controlled by you or one of your allies at the begining of YOUR turn.

Everyone experiences something different.

Guess the point is, find a dicey you like and stick to it.  I personally hate DAAK.  It’s the most flawed dicey program I’ve ever encountered, when applied to massive dice rolls.  For minutia rolls it seems to do okay at times.  (Like if you want to find the result for 1 infantry, 1 artillery vs 1 infantry, you’ll win about 70% of the time.)  but it’s those massive battles that seem to go horribly wrong for me or my opponent on DAAK that scare me from using them.  Almost always it results in 33% accuracy with attacking infantry vs 40% accuracy with defending infantry.

So yea.  Use whatever system you want.  I like FROOD and Flames of Europe.  But DAAK’s the most popular on here.  (Maybe that’s why I massively harder time winning games from AA.org opponents on DAAK then I do on any other dicey?  The tactics are almost identical, only the dicey is different, yet the DAAK dicey always throws the battle to the attacker, not the defender.  And I’m a very defensive player, usually.  I’d rather force you to attack me, then move out to attack you (other then for territory trading) if I can.)

@DarthMaximus:

Correction.

Just went back and read his US moves again, the US Pac Fleet is in the GOC sz, not the Wus sz.

Without looking at the map, I’ll have to assume that is the Sz right below Mex on the Pacific side of the board.

So that rules out a strike on his fleet on J2, he has 1 trn, 1 dd, 1 ac, 1 bb, 2 ftrs there, but it opens the door for me to unify my fleet at HI and get two BB shots and take relatively easily, while getting as many as 7 more units to Asia, to continue gaining IPC.

But As long as I can keep his fleet pinned near Mex, that is fine by me, and once again comes down to Germany just getting through the first few rds.

Fighters can fly 4 moves, as long as a carrier can pick them up (if they die, the carrier does not have to move).

That SZ is 2 from HI and you have 2 carriers and the bomber. Why cant you attack ??

Squirecam

Edit - I see 2 fighters are on Japan… So they wont reach, correct?

Problem with a live bid with online games is that it can take weeks just to determine who’s on what side. :(

I like to bid 33 IPC.  1 Battleship, 1 Transport, 1 IPC to Japan. :)

That is correct.

Sea Zone 2: 1 Figher, 1 Bomber, 1 Submarine vs 1 Battleship, 1 Transport

1 Fighter from Finland/Norway 1 Bomber from Germany 1 Submarine Sea Zone 8

Any day, i would attack.

And i play at triple A where youo get 9 bid as axis and a second Sub in Sz8 is nice iand then i attack even when the sub is there. (in SZ2)

Oh, okay, that makes a bit more sense.  I guess I haven’t looked at the new rules in a while, so that’s why I thought the way I did.

A new version would be great, maybe with prettier pictures and a bigger map.

However, the current version isn’t too hard to use.  You get used too it.  Right now the toughest units to differentiate are:

Transport/Submarine
Battleship/Destroyer

You can do it, but sometimes I get em mixed up whatn I just glance at them.

Thanks all for the clarity.

(Switch is right, you need a destroyer present in other A&A games).

sure, I’d play ya IRL.  But I’m in NYC and you’re around Chicago, I think, yes?

OH wellz, what can ya do?

I’m already on your queue.

Besides, I don’t like the 50/50 bid.  On either side of the coin.

Yea, the reason for that is America can offset any advances by Japan through exploitation of her islands.  Couple that with the massive fleet Japan has to build up just to keep America from owning everything and killing her Asian units from the rear and you have a mess for Japan.

You can also drive tanks that were not engaged through the territory to a friendly territory on the other side.  Good way to open up reinforcement routes in Europe.

I didn’t see the board.

I was just thinking that 85% of submarine kills are by airplanes, so the sub really shouldn’t live.

@Jennifer:

I agree.  If I plan to hide like a school girl cowering from an overly menacing mcdonald’s double cheeseburger with my fleet . . .

Traumatic personal experience?

Oh well, if you ended up looking like that in a bikini, I’m not complainin.

That is what tanks are for.

and if SZ6 is not working, move to 7.

The point is, if you cede control of the Atlantic by just sitting in the baltic, then you probably ARE wating your money on a Baltic AC.

Build your fleet, then eitehr use it to take out a few units, prevent early landings in Norway and Africa.

But if you are just using it to be just a guardian of Germany and Eastern coasts (which is an acceptible use of that fleet), then don;t complain about the Allies building their fleets up outside your range.  If you go purely defensive with the Baltic Fleet, that is what the allies are going to do.  And when they are done, your fleet is sunk.  That is jsut th way it works.

So…
Either use teh fleet to protect Germany and Eastern while you drive hard on Russia with all you’ve got and deal with the Allied landing swhen they start, or use that fleet and challenge the Atlantic with naval and air.

But don’t complain because the Allies see which way you are going and adjust their strat accordingly.

Thread moved to Games section

Actually, this was teh thread that started teh whole thing that led to LHTR 1.3.  It was about using friendly ships that were already in an enemy occupied sea zone as fodder for your attack on those enemy ships.

Under the new LHTR that came out of this, the Allies can NOT use those US ships that are already in SZ59 as fodder for a UK attack on the Japan ships in SZ59.

This became the “Multinational Forces on Attack” thread.