Because a destroyer is cheaper.

You cannot buy 2 transports and a carrier on Japan 1.  That means trading in a transport to get a carrier, not a trade I want, or getting two transports (3 or 4 total available on Japan 2) and a destroyer thus not tying up your fleet on such non-sense as transport protection duty.

Not to mention, when I go after the American fleet with Japan, I always wish I had another destroyer.  I never wish I had another transport.  (Talking rounds 12+ when Japan goes after the Allied fleet to protect S. Germany)

@DarthMaximus:

Well your trying something may effect my trying something such that I may have to try something different depending on what you are trying.  Unless what you are trying doesn’t effect what I was going to try so then I will be safe to try whatever I want.  :-D

[yoda]
Do, or Do not.  There is no try.
[/yoda]

Curious Mazer, why only total of 4 transports? Since 2 are pretty much permanently away on pirate business, that means you have 4 spots that you can open up from Japan by purchasing 2 tp. That seems a better deal than buying a complex, which would only open up 3 spots. That’s why I assumed you get 6 tps, so you have 4 tps using up the 8 slots on Japan while the other 2 are raiding IPCs.

I think I’d be happy with 6 tps 2 complexes (78 IPCs infrastructure to open up 14 slots, meaning 10 inf 4 arm per round at 50 IPC income) instead of 4 complexes 4 tps (92 IPCs infrastructure open up 16 slots; you could fill that with 15 inf 1 arm at 50 IPC income). In both cases I know 2 of the tps are off raiding, but it seems like too much infrastructure with the 4 complexes and also you’re opening up slots you can’t even fill with offensive gear anymore.

FYI: http://boards.avalonhill.com/announcement.php?f=48

I was poking around over at Avalon Hill boards and noticed that they are moving them to Gleemax. I thought I’d spread the word for anybody who only checks in over there occasionally and wanted to move their account.

I also figure this is a good chance to spread the word about how cool it is here. There seems to be disappointment about not having custom avatars or user polls at Gleemax.

@Crazy:

So, with the D-Day N A, would the DD from the UK partake in the melee with the Bmr on the U-Boat, or just keep it from getting away under the waves?

I believe in Joint Strike (LHTR name for D-day), the US commandeers (takes control) of all UK units and they act as one force.

In this case, the DD WOULD attack the sub  as well as prevent the sub submersion.

@nuno:

@ncscswitch:

In LL, you end up with Agent Smith’s who have years of work with sims to lock down specific strats that always work.

Once again ncscswitch couldn’t pass an opportunity to bait me…

Not-so-welcome back Agent Smith.  Glad you finally publicly admitted who you are, now we do not have to pussy foot around with you any longer.

I see you have not changed in the slightest… still all talk and bluster, with absolutely NO substance.  One of those unfortunate souls who refuses to put up or shut up.

@nuno:

Now go entertain yourself censoring/banning me, like you love so much to do.

Actually, you are the only one who is working at getting you banned.  You already expounded on how you were banned from another gaming site.  And you were previously banned in several of your other incarnations from this site.  Eventually you may grow up enough to figure out that it is not the entire A&A gaming world that is out to get you, but that you are just an asshole and that no one wants to have to put up with your shit.

I think we need to look at the England complex in a different light.

If England gets a FREE complex, where should they put it? (Prior to Russia 1.)

Why?  Because that’s the majority of complexes England gets.  Not many people are buying Complexes for England until much later in the game when they can put them up in W. Europe or Norway. :P

So, to me the choices are:

And that’s pretty much the order i would put them in.  Unless there are some neat things going on with America and Russia that can help reinforce India faster.  Then it might change.

I like E. Canada over Australia because you can invest in a 5th & 6th Transport (something some of you want to do ANYWAY) with England and be landing 10 troops a round in Asia. 2 From E. Canada to England. 10 From England to North Europe.

Big Luftwaffe gets even nastier when a sizable Japanese fleet gets to Brazil and further into Atlantic.
German increasing threats force even more UK-US cooperation to defend the 2 fleets. But that’s easier when the position needs to be ‘neat’ only after Russian moves. After UK it can be as ‘messy’ as needed.
But add a Japanese threat, and any UK-US cooperation gets extremely cumbersome - any ally moving out of position leaves the other easy prey…

Even wiping/chasing away the Japanese isn’t easy - UK-US being divided to defend transports. And the optimal purchase to protect against Luftwaffe - carriers+(fighters) is not as good as lots of submarines to chase Japan… but subs are of very little use against Germany.

Two hard dilemmas - of timing, of force composition. Any solutions around ?

:roll:
  So Jennifer, it is probibly more of a matter of trust in the server than a problem with your machine? I know just how you feel. It is hard sometimes to go outside our comfort zone. And something different is not always better. I for one have few complaints with Triple A, the ladder or how the program works, although today I did have it freeze on me during a roll, (had to restart my computer to get out of it). Nothing is perfect, right?

Back to topic; I prefer LL for the mere fact that the regular dice are more often than not, unkind to me, causing much frustration. I know that I play a better game than my track record shows, and since I’ve begun playing LL it has been a lot less frustrating for me. I win more often, and even the games I’ve lost have not been one sided crushing defeats in 6 rounds. I will play AAR for fun, or to give a newbe a better chance to beat me, but not a serious game against a master Obewon Jedi AA player. I prefer to match wits, not the luck of the die rolls, for that, we can play Craps  :wink:

@Bean:

:-) Feel free to ask questions and discuss, no matter how small.

Yea, cause this entire site is designed to discuss the game!  We don’t know everything, but we can field the majority of questions.  If you wanna know what the designer was thinking, well, you’ll have to ask him. grin

I applaud you for your math!  :-o

To me I’m looking for gamebreaking changes in LL that would convince me that it doesn’t have any validity for analyzing overall strategies in ADS. I don’t really get stuck on very small details in very small battles in which we’re talking about efficiency in fractions of IPCs - which either side can take advantage of. I’m looking at the forest, not the trees.

I think it’s something to have to live with, but it’s still better to look at overall strategies than having every other game in ADS screwed over by some important battle going horribly wrong.

Or the Allies let you use your fleet for fodder.

Honestly, I prefer to land in Russia and build more in SZ 2.  Then, if you move to cleave me in twain, I can attack from two directions for one round and retreat all to one sea zone or the other.

Then I get to strafe AND you are denied the use of your Luftwaffe (except the ones on the carrier) in hitting my fleet back.

Yes the episode called “the label maker” season 6… i think.

jerry’s apartment became neutral Switzerland because Newman could not be trusted. I wish the whole episode was about that game

My second favorite episode after The Soup Nazi.

That’s my portion of the test.  Can I keep England and America out and leave it just me vs Russia?

Also, I put the bid to Japan, instead of Germany to balance not taking out Egypt, which I think is what he said was a death knell for the Axis.

7 IPC is plenty for a revised bid, IMHO.  Just need some punch to close Egypt on Germany 1.

Though, lately I’ve been getting sneaky and bidding 30 IPC to be Axis so I can work on KJF in “normal” games where my opponent is unaware I am going to hit him with it.  A lot of fun!  Had a few games given to me when my opponent sees a massive fleet emerge off the coast of S. America into the Pacific and his fleet is far away. :P

First Edition (though with 2nd Non-Weapon Prof added).

I have a LOT of dice, but in my primary set I have 25d4 for one of my character’s Cone of Cold :-D

I like those 13d4 Magic Missiles too :-)

The sound a Magic Missile makes… THWAP!

Asbestos’ Magic Missiles…
Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-THWAP!
Average Damage:  45 hit points… no save, automatically hit :-D

@U-505:

I see no reason to use the bomber for SBR’s except when you are losing badly and you need to gamble. It is much more useful as a long range 4 based out of Southern Europe so it can threaten just about anything worth killing.

YES! the BOM is extremely versatile. I use it mainly in North Africa to support operations there and to give naval operations a boost. It never hurts to use it as ground support for a while and then when Germany starts to get a little fatter or thinner in the IPC realm then think about using it as an SBR. I’ve also found that using it in conjunction with submarines, depending on the game, is a great deterent to the US player wanting to use TRNs to invade N. Africa.

The reason they are rated low, for me, is as follows:

1)  Submarines are expensive
2)  Submarines die to fighters without risk to the fighters
3)  Submarines purchased take 4 full turns to break even (odds?)
4)  The two submarines in SZ 5 die in every game I’ve ever seen.  It’s just a debate over when, not if they die.
5)  Germany has no business buying up lots of submarines.
6)  America is relatively unaffected by U-Boats.  Sure, they have less money, but honestly, -3 IPC from 42 IPC is not that much.

Those are ranked in order of importance to me.

That said, if you get them as a random bonus, it isn’t horrible.  Germany, of course, has no worthless advantages.

@ncscswitch:

3.  There are 100 enemy SUBs in SZ28.

jenforces!  w00t