@toblerone77:

@Uncrustable:

Honestly the problem is not broken bombers
But broken AA, would bomber spam work vs classic AA? Or even pre alpha AA?
It likely would not

I think that the AAA unit was going to be used in an entirely different way than what we have now. I just don’t see making an entirely new sculpt that’s nation specific, that only moves defensively, but gets destroyed. They could’ve used the old plastic guns like before. That’s a lot of money and production for something that works as strangely as it does.

That’s why I see a better future for  an artillery division unit like this one, as first proposed by Uncrustable :
AAA A1D1M1C5-6 + when on defense as OOB rule vs 3 attacking planes.
It would be far more integrated in the A&A system rules.
And keep the old AA linked to IC, NB and AB.
It was absurd to protect preemptively a large territory against all planes.
But it make sense in a limited area like ICs or bases when it is heavily protected by AA guns.

And if Bombers spam still need a fix via AAA, give them AAA vs 4 or even 5 planes, but not unlimited preemptive strike @1 vs all planes.

And instead of giving the US an extra $10 for having the Philipines and Hawaii, they should start off with $10 extra and lose $10 due to a massive loss of morale when they lose them. A penalty as suppose to a reward. The loss of morale can truly result in a loss of production. That would make it more realistic.

I am probably going to post this topic in another section. I would like to build more support for this for any future revisions to the rules.

@Uncrustable:

Yeah 25s I meant lol
And as far as “heavy carrier” is concerned, I don’t believe there was such a thing in WWII

Jets in post-war USA and Korea made the difference. Still you never saw or see large aircraft on carriers. our modern carriers now are built to handle the speed of jet aircraft. The size and cost eliminated most of the post war allies from owning them with few exceptions. The Harrier and various helicopters can operate on smaller Aircraft Carriers, but other than a few examples and exceptions the US dominates the large carrier business in the modern age.

I think now that the no subs vs subs combat is not necessary at all.

Explaining: subs are considered a separate group inside the navy.
Allowing subs to attack subs still be as OOB rules.
For example, 2 subs can decide to attack another 3 subs with 2 DDs and 2 TTs in a same sea-zone.
If attacker target subs, then the defender had only to decide whether or not his 3 subs will submerge or combat.
Many will prefer to submerge, so there will be no combat.
If defender choose to fight, then it will be 2 subs@2 vs 3 subs@1, as per OOB rule.
So sometimes, but seldom, subs can sink subs as history reveal.

About AntiSubWeapon and Mission,
I have a different idea than:

The sub rule we are trying now is 2-1-2 unit as in 1940G OOB but each DD that is declared a sub hunter rolls a die and sinks the sub on a one and locates on a two.
Located or detected subs can then be attacked by CAs or additional DDs.
If sub survives first round of combat then it defends at one or submerges.

When DD are on attack vs Subs, I will let the OOB DD A2 ASW as usual for getting a hit.
If any DD roll “1” or “2” it is a hit, or if roll a"3" then Planes can attack located subs.

If all DDs roll only “4” or higher, then no planes can attack subs, since no DD detected them, however they can still hit any other units in the sea-zone.

I find interesting to let the defending subs to submerge instead of taking defensive roll.
I would rather let this submerge possibility only if all DDs roll “4” or higher.

This will have the effect of drastically reduce the odds to find Subs by 50% instead of an automatic finding. And it gives an increasing importance on having much more than a single DD for ASW.

I will not forbid cruiser from attacking Subs since I already agree to forbid attacking BB vs subs.
It will let cruiser somekind of specific effectiveness vs subs that don’t have BB.

However, Cruiser would not block the subs from submerge, instead of defending.

The game starts in june 1940, so germany would attack russia on G2, and japan would attack on J3.

(the map reflects the situation in june 1940, low countries are defeated but paris has not been taken yet)

@Uncrustable:

bunch of ignoranuses lol

At least I apologized for that…

@Cow:

I play low luck games. Usually I get my low luck mood out on triple A… on this forum not so much.

Strategy is completely different in low luck.

You should post a G40 strategy guide for Low Luck!

Germany and Japan openers LL

@Imperious:

Ok if you want more units make it basic:

3 Carriers: CVB, CV, and CVL
2 Cruisers: BC and CA
2 Destroyers: DD and DE
2 battleships: BB, BBB

CVB= 3 planes, 3 hits, 2-3-3-
CV= OOB
CL= 1 hit, 1 plane, 0-1-3-
BC= 3-3-3-2 hits, 16 cost, 3 SB
CA= OOB
DD=OOB
DE= preemptive strike negated, plus boosts each transport to 1 defense ( no more one sub kills all thing) 1-2-3-7
BB=oob
BBB= 3 hits, 5-5-3-24, sb at 5

I don’t know if this hypothetical Armored cruiser CA will be born someday and can be useful.
But if the case, the extra hit should cost 25% of base price of OOB Cruiser (C Light/Heavy). If BB A4D4, 1hit 2=16 IPCs1.25=20 IPCs  2 hits. Which means 3 IPCs for 1.25% of 12 IPCs.
CA A3D3M3C15 2 hits, SBombard 1@3. vs
CB Battlecruiser A4D4M3C16 1hit, SBombard 1@4.
Will it makes both more viable unit vs nearer cost: 2DDs, A4D4 (2 hits) 16 IPCs?
But CB is still different from a M2 BB, with 2 hits.
Same guns but no the same armored bulkhead. Jus 1 little hit and it is over.

I’m kind of worried Japan can take India on turn 3 still.  Limited India doesn’t seem like a good idea.  :-D  Oh crap are we talking 1914 or 1940?  Can’t tell because all the house rules are in the same forum.  :roll:

They’re here.  We’re also experimenting with allowing the Central Powers to turn down the armistice, but that’s not entirely official yet.

@Tortn91:

How about when Paris is taken Normandy-Bordeaux, Southern France, the navy in Mediterranean and the french force in North Africa joined the Nazis, but half of the units in France is moved to UK represents Free French forces who fled and the rest of the French territories in Africa and around the world remains unde Free French control.

It would have to be considered an alternate-history scenario.  The French Navy and the French colonial forces never joined the Nazis, and the number of French forces who crossed the Channel from France to England to form the Free French was nowhere near large enough to represent half of France’s military units.

On the other hand, it’s perfectly accurate to have some of France’s colonial territories go over to the Free French side soon after France is occupied becauset that’s what happened in reality.

Someone mentioned that the new ANZAC infantry from Pacific 1940 2nd edition would make good Askaris.

Summon Flashman in 3… 2… 1…

Ok we played this today and it turned out to be pretty balanced.

Allies won

I’m still a little iffy about the 2 German subs that start SZ 2 (Germany subs were in total control of the Atlantic for the entire game)

The other rule changes I made was to make Borneo and East Indies (DEI) basically neutral until attacked by Axis or US enters the war, then they join FEC/UK seemed to work out nicely.

In the first game i played with my brother I just assumed that submarines have first strike. I actually
was rather surprised when I read that they don´t.
Also, I think that USW is rather weak.

Maybe using the damage rules from global 1940 and give the subs first strike could help the central powers
a bit in their struggle.

Exactly, especially if you’re trying out Strategic Movement rules in the game. France can take Spain, and then immediately bring it’s troops to the front the next turn. Keep 4 IPCS that will never be contested for the remainder of the war? Why wouldn’t you do that?

I’d rather see further clarifications on certain territories that historically were aligned or owned by one of the alliances, like Greece, like Persia, just like Belgium, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania currently are, but still have stricter rules for invading the remaining True Neutrals. France takes Spain = Germany building a single transport and moving infantry over to claim Norway and Sweden for a free 8 IPCS and 16 additional units. It would keep the countries that were traditional out of the war to remaining there like it does in G40.

@Flashman:

Modify US entry: Start @ turn 5.

Every time the CPs invade a neutral (non-aligned) moves US entry 1 turn sooner.

Every time the Allies invade a NAN moves US entry 1 turn later.

First RR or Fall of Moscow moves US entry 1 turn sooner:

That’s a great mechanic.

@Flashman:

The first time the RR is eligible to occur, consider this the first (February) revolution, bringing a Republican, but pro-Allied government to power (welcomed by Washington). The CPs may, but are not obliged to, sign a treaty with this government, or they may choose to fight on. They may decide to delay acceptance in order to gain control of more Russian tt before the armistice, or attempt to take Moscow.

The 2nd time the RR condition occurs (October - Bolshevik crew) the CPs get their last chance to sign a treaty.

If the CPs sign a treaty with the Republicans, the war ends for Russia and no 2nd Revolution (Communist takeover) occurs.

This gives the option of allowing the treaty to occur or not instead of it being automatic. Gives the CPs the power to choose depending on the situation of the war in each game. I like that better that playing with the optional rule or not: Make the rule automatic but the option is up to the Central Powers.

@Flashman:

In all cases, if the CPs either sign a treaty with Russia OR capture Moscow for the first time, they get a release of POWs of 1 infantry per full round played per power still at war with Russia.

Indeed this should be a general rule for countries that lose a capital; they must return POWs to all their active opponents @ 1 inf per power per completed round.

In the case of USA or (turn 2 entry) Italy the number must be calculated from their starting “at war” round.

That’s the best idea I’ve heard in a while, and not just for this version of the game but for any A&A game. I’d like to see the idea of POWs explored.

Global 1942: Quick Start Guide

This module uses Alpha 2 and original out of the box rules unless specified here. This scenario begins in Dec 1941 with the Japanese attack at Hawaii. Germany is at the gates of Moscow and pushing her last strength to capture Moscow. Positions and units quantity, and type are based on actual positions for Dec 41.

Japanese Surprise Attack: On the first turn all Allied Naval and Air units on the Pacific maps defend at ONE against Japanese attacks. Land units fight normally.

Soviet-Japanese Non aggression Pact:  The Japanese may attack the Soviets only by announcing one turn before this intention. The Soviets can attack Japan only if all Soviet territories are under Soviet control. Note: if Japan attacks the Soviet Union any Mongolian forces bordering any Japanese forces are automatically at war with Japan
(Exchange units with Russian Infantry).

The new turn order, starting IPC total and control changes:
Soviet Union: 28
Control lost: Baltic States, Vyborg, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Smolensk, Western Ukraine, Bryansk, Bessarabia, Ukraine.
Germany 41
Control lost: Romania, Hungary
Control gained: Baltic States, Vyborg, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Smolensk, Western Ukraine, Bryansk, Bessarabia, Ukraine, Normandy, France, Yugoslavia, and Crete
Italy: 12
Control lost: Ethiopia, Italian Somaliland
Control gained: Greece, Tunisia, and Cyprus
Japan: 28
Control gained: French Indo China
USA: 52
UK: 30 Europe, 16 Pacific
Control gained: Ethiopia, Italian Somaliland
ANZAC: 10
China: 12 Territories
Vichy France: 7 (strict neutral)
Control gained: Southern France, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, and Madagaskar

Lend Lease: The US or UK player can send a total combined aid to the Soviet Union of 30 IPC. Procedure: Buy a transport(s) and place it off board in a Lend lease Box. These transports can’t be used for any other purpose other than Lend Lease. Each Transport sends a fixed 5 IPC (place IPC under transports). No more than 6 transports can be allocated for this purpose. Lend Lease aid is first available on turn 1. However, the Soviet player does not actually get the aid until turn 2. The IPC sent can only purchase non-infantry land units and air units of any type. Lend Lease cannot be used for Naval, Infantry, or factories, etc.

Interdiction: Any European Axis Submarine, Plane, or Surface ship located in open sea
(Not Baltic, Black, Mediterranean) can deduct 2 IPC each from this total. If they are located in any convoy box, they can cost 3 IPC each from this total.

Note: If Japan and the Soviet Union are at war, Japanese Submarines, Planes, and Surface ships located in Sea Zones in 3, 4, and 5 can cause reductions to Lend Lease payments.

Minor Axis Allies: Finland, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary have unique forces (use German pieces) these automatically join the axis on turn 2. They can freely move on that turn and Germany can move into them or build units (Romania). Germany does not gain the income from these areas until they are activated on turn 2, or attacked earlier by the Soviet Union. The factory in Romania can start producing units on turn 2 as well.

This module does not use technology or National Objective rules. However, Paratroopers and Mechanized Infantry technology are standard rules. Paratroopers however are restricted to a one sea zone rule, which means they can’t cross any more than one sea zone before landing.

Changes in Strict Neutrality:  Attacking a strict neutral only activates other strict neutrals within 2 spaces of the invaded neutral. Vichy France is a special case. It is strict neutral; however, axis units may fly over or move thru these areas without triggering any change. Also, an attack from any player results in only war with the area under attacked; all other Vichy areas still remain neutral.

SETUPS:

SOVIET UNION:
Sea Zone 127: 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 115: 2 Submarines, 1 Destroyer
Karelia: 3 Infantry
Novgorod: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Armor,
1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Air Base, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor Factory, 1 AA gun
Archangel: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Vologda: 2 Infantry
Russia: 10 Infantry, 4 Mechanized Infantry, 3 Artillery, 2 Armor,
2 Fighters, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Bomber, 1 Major Factory, 1 Air Base, 1 AA gun
Tambov: 3 Infantry
Rostov: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Volgograd: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Armor
1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Air Base, 1 Major Factory
Urals: 1 Minor Factory
Kazakhstan: 1 Minor factory
Sea Zone 100: 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine
Amur: 4 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 5: 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 4: 1 Submarine

GERMANY:
Normandy: 2 Infantry, 1 Minor Factory, 1 Naval Base
Holland: 2 Infantry, 1 Naval Base
Paris: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters, 1 Airbase, 1 Minor Factory, 1 AA gun
Denmark: 1 Infantry
Norway: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Sea Zone 113: 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 2 Transports
Western Germany: 1 Infantry, 1 Major Factory, 1 Naval Base, 1 Air Base, 1 AA gun
Greater Southern Germany: 1 Infantry, 1 Minor factory, 1 AA gun
Germany: 2 Infantry, 2 Bombers, 1 Fighter, 1 Air Base, 1 Major Factory, 1 AA gun
Poland: 1 Infantry
Eastern Poland: 1 Infantry
Yugoslavia: Control
Greece: 1 Artillery
Crete: 1 Infantry
Vyborg: 2 Infantry
Libya: 1 Armor
Tunisia: 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Naval Base
Baltic States: 3 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor
Belarus: 6 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 2 Armor, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber
Smolensk: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 2 Armor
Western Ukraine: 1 Infantry
Bryansk: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 2 Armor, 1 Fighter
Ukraine: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 2 Armor, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber
Sea Zone 103: 1 Submairne
Sea Zone 107: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 118: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 125: 1 Submarine

JAPAN:
Manchuria: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor, 1 Fighter, 1 Minor Factory
Korea: 1 Infantry
Jehol: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Shantung: 1 Infantry
Kiangsu: 1 Infantry
Kiangsi: 1 Infantry
Kwangsi: 2 Infantry
French- Indo China: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Bomber
Siam: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Japan: 1 Infantry, 1 Major Factory, 1 Air Base, 1 Naval Base, 1 AA gun
Sea Zone 6: 3 Battleships, 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers
Sea Zone 19: 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 20: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 36: 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 1 Submarine, 1 Transport
Formosa: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 25: 3 Carriers, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 3 Fighters, 3 Fighter-Bombers
Caroline Islands: 1 Cruiser, 1 Naval Base, 1 Air Base
Marshall Islands: 1 Naval Base

ITALY:
Northern Italy: 3 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Air Base, 1 Major Factory, 1 AA gun
Southern Italy: 3 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor, 1 Fighter,
1 Bomber, 1 Air Base, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 95: 2 Battleships, 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 1 Submarine, 2 Transports
Sardinia: 2 Infantry
Sicily: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 94: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 96: 1 Submarine
Yugoslavia: 1 Infantry
Albania: 1 Infantry
Greece: 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry
Tobruk: 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber
Bessarabia: 1 Infantry
Ukraine: 2 Infantry

MINOR AXIS ALLIES:
Finland: 5 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Hungary: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Romania: 6 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor,
1 Fighter, 1 Air Base, 1 Minor Factory
Bulgaria: 4 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry

VICHY FRANCE:
Southern France: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Naval Base
Morocco : 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Algeria: 1 Infantry
Syria: 1 Infantry
French West Africa: 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 1 Naval Base
French Madagaskar: 1 Infantry

UNITED KINGDOM:
Sea Zone 106: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 111: 1 Battleship, 2 Cruisers, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 119: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport
United Kingdom: 3 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor, 3 Bombers, 1 Fighter,
1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Major Factory, 1 Air base, 1 Naval Base, 1 AA gun
Sea Zone 110: 1 Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 2 Cruisers, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 125: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Gibraltar: 1 Infantry, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 91: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Malta: 1 Infantry, 1 Air Base
Alexandria: 1 Infantry
Egypt: 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor, 1 Fighter, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 98: 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Trans-Jordan: 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Armor, 1 Fighter
Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 Mechanized Infantry
Union of South Africa: 1 Transport, 1 Minor Factory, 1 Naval Base
Iraq: 1 Mechanized Infantry
West India: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Fighter
Kwangtung: 1 Infantry
Shan State: 1 Infantry
Burma: 1 Infantry
India: 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Minor Factory, 1 Air Base
Ceylon: 1 Carrier, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Destroyer, 1 Naval Base
Malaya: 1 Infantry
Sea Zone 37: 1 Battleship, 1 Submarine, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 41: 1 Submarine

UNITED STATES:
Eastern United States: 1 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Armor,
2 Fighters, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Major factory, 1 Naval Base, 1 Air Base, 1 AA gun
Central United States: 1 Major factory, 1 AA gun, 1 Naval Base, 1 Air Base
Sea Zone 101: 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 89: 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 64: 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport
Western United States : 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Bomber, 1 Major Factory, 1 Air Base, 1 Naval Base, 1 AA gun
Sea Zone 10: 1 Carrier, 2 Cruisers, 1 Destroyer, 1 Fighter, 1 Fighter-Bomber
Sea Zone 31: 1 Destroyer
Hawaii: 1 Fighter-Bomber, 1 Naval Base, 1 Air Base
Sea Zone 26: 2 Battleships, 2 Destroyers
Sea Zone 13: 1 Submarine
Philippines: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 35: 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 1 Transport

CHINA:
One Infantry on each Chinese territory and one Fighter in Szechwan

ANZAC
Sea Zone 42: 1 Cruiser
Northern Territory: 1 Infantry
Queensland: 1 Infantry
New South Wales: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Minor Factory, 1 Naval Base
Sea Zone 62: 1 Transport
New Zealand: 1 Infantry
Sumatra: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter ( ANZAC does not control Sumatra for income purposes)

Switzerland has to be worth more then 1, 4 sounds good (just wish I could change that on the actual board). My first game I played, I was CP and my friend was Allies and I just managed a victory (He was getting bored and not as focused as he was at the beginning). I did the Russian Rev on turn 3, thank god because of the Americans entering next turn, didn’t really want to face 5 opponents. Italy was the next to fall by the Austrians and it ended up being a three on three game with the Germans and Austrians fighting on the Western Front against the French, British, and Americans who chose to land in Picardy, were backed up by the British as the French dealt with the Germans just to the north in Belgium. Now, he destroyed my German navy with his British fleet which I let get bigger and bigger, i’m an idiot for that one, and he landed in Berlin, can he do this? anyway, I was able to push him out and destroy his fleet and finally take Paris.