Naw its a small point… let it stay how it is… I guess its a balance issue vs. Historical thing and a minor one at that.

No… Except when I have moved 30 Tanks Vs. 1 Infantry and that is all you got left

http://axisandallies.metalsaber.com/

It is down 'till march…

GG

They are Navwar and Tumbling dice pieces, plus alot of hat 1/72 scale pieces. I have the entire UK and German fleet and USA fleet too.

Table tactics sells “mines” the standard idea for house rule is each unit that passes has to make a saving roll to move into the territory. If a one is rolled then the unit is destroyed. Infantry can be used as “minesweepers” and for each unit hit, each friendly can then roll a saving roll negating the hit on a roll of 1-2. Example: you move 3 tanks and 5 infantry into Novo (you are Japanese). the Soviets bought a mine unit. The phasing player rolls 8 times, netting 1 tank and  1 infantry hit, Next the 5 infantry roll trying to get 1-2, but only get this 1 time, so the tank hit is negated and the Japanese lose only one infantry.
  Mines cost about 3 IP each, cannot move, and once disarmed by infantry are removed from play… Anything else just let me know… This should work for all games

@theduke:

that sounds like 2nd or 3rd edition rules (i.e. “original” axis and allies), not 1st edition. are you sure? i’m taking about the very 1st edition… an edition basically no one plays anymore.

The 1st ed was w/ unlimited IC’s.  Even ones you purchased.

Very unbalanced b/c GBR would get an IC for Persia, and move all of the India units to Sinkiang to allow US to buy the IC on the first round.  Round 2 and beyond sees $ 60+/turn worth of allied armor pouring onto the Eurasia landmass to take everything over.

The composition of forces is historically based… its loosely based on my own research and ruleset for some of my own games. Im sure you seen my site right?

Heres a letter to Hitler (you can see how close things almost got)
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/spain/sp13.htm

How about these varient pieces such as,

Blockhouses (I use the mall units from Tri-opoly)
Improves infantry defense to 3 on a matching 1/1 basis. Must have at least 1 infantry in territory to construct. Units hit by a blockhouse during an amphibious assault cannot counter-attack on the first round.
During an offshore bombardment from a battleship, hits are assigned to blockhouses first.
Finland/Norway, Germany, and Western Europe each start with one.
Atk: 0
Def: 3
Move: 0
Cost: 5

Half Tracks (includes armored cars)
Can blitz as a tank.
Considered a tank when transporting.
Carries 1 infantry OR 1 artillery, 2 spaces.
Starting placement: On every territory that contains 1 infantry and 1 tank.
Atk: 2
Def: 2
Move: 2
Cost: 5

LHP / LHA / LHD
Carries 1 fighter and 2 infantry units, no artillery or tanks (If you use chopper units they carry that instead of fighters)
Atk: 1
Def: 3
Move: 2
Cost: 16 (same as carrier)

This would be more appopriate here.

I’ve played with No table talk before.  Kinda fun.

We’d do 10 Min strat sessions at the end of each rd.

EDIT:

IL, I hope that is a joke.
but you might want to be carfeul there.

But Shinano (same hull as Yamoto) took 1 submarine with 1 torpedo spread (one torpedo hit the I beam supporting one of the torpedo blisters and turned the I-beam into a battering ram that went through the boilers…)

While Yorktown was hit at Coral Sea, damaged, limped back to Pearl, and then fought again at Midway.

In both cases these carriers lost their battle with little against them… so id keep the one hit idea. If a Yamato class carrier can be sunk by a sub and the yorktown plus those 4 japanese carriers go down by a few planes i dont see why these ships need a two hit thing. The battleships should however. Do you not aggree?

Yes quite right, but it should have made it in the game and its an important consideration that was neglected in revised. Now Germany can land 2 men each turn and not worry about those trannys. Plus moscow will be defended as england.

Along the lines of what you have proposed:
I am not sure about the suitability of having ports have any defense, but rather coming up with a unit that can adress a number of characteristics of a fortified territory (think maginot defenses).

REPAIR DAMAGED BATTLESHIPS
Battleships are powerful units. A damaged battleship may be repaired if it is in a sea zone adjacent to a territory with an IC controlled by its country. The repair costs are equal to the roll of one d6. The battleship may not move or participate in combat during the turn of repair. The repair is complete at the end of the players turn.

Fortresses
These units can be added to any controlled territory for the cost of 10 IP and can defend only with two rolls each combat round with a defense value of 3/3.They “protect” the defending units from direct attack. The units inside the fortress cannot be affected by attacking combat rolls until the fortress is destroyed by a roll of 1 only. Once built they cannot move and if destroyed cannot be reused by enemy forces. The maximum number of fortresses is limited to the IP value of the territory and in the case of China is limited to one.

Commanders (based on d12 system)
Each major power can have one or more military commanders that affect the outcome of battles. Each turn one commander unit is placed in a territory you wish to attack and can affect a +1 modifier on attack or defense for the sum of combat units equal to its leadership value for the duration of combat rounds. Each nation begins with commanders as follows:

Germany:
Hitler          8
Manstein    9
Runstedt    8
Rommel    10
Guderian    6

Italy:
Kesselring    7
Badoglio      4

Finland
Mannerheim    6

U.S.S.R:
Stalin              7
Zhukov          8
Timoshenko  7

United Kingdom:
Montgomery      7
Alexander          5

Japan:
Tojo                  7
Yamamoto*    10
Nagumo*          8
Yamashita        7

U.S.A.
Patton              9
Eisenhower    8
Nimitz*          7
Macarthur      7

Note: The engaged commander remains in the territory till the end of the turn. If enemy forces choose to counterattack and capture the territory  then that commander is considered killed in battle and cannot be replaced. All Leaders can only affect land battles except the leaders with * which can effect battles on the sea.

Yes, well at least its not as bad as 1 out of 6 … ouch. The worst is when a tranny kills the bomber, which means every bomber Germany had during the war was shot down by a liberty ship carrying tea bags to england.I just want to throw the board out of my window after that.

@Imperious:

Im not sure what these are. Are they new NA’s for revised? or a new list of items that you get as a tech roll? …

Tech roll it is!  :mrgreen:

Yes good as you may know i have been doing the D12 thing for many years, because after all the number of variation is doubled so that the units have unique identities and character, plus you can add many additional units and its easy to convert old pieces into this new system. BY chance the D12 is what Larry will use on his own Advanced axis and allies game next year.So you are on your way on the correct path. I have tried d10 and other % dice and they dont work nearly as well.

@Loki:

I heard someone mention the idea sometime of allowing tanks to take their second move after combat if they had one left. That might be interesting because in essence it would allow tanks to strafe like fighters can do. Maybe it would suck, I don’t know.

Its fun playing like this, definetely makes Germany better, but also helps the Soviets repel the Japs and Nazis after they move into one of their territories and it keeps Tanks with a def of 2, which means the enemy will probably use their fighters to bomb them when the bulk of your infantry is in the next territory blocking the enemy from hitting your tanks. I dont see tanks as a 3/3 unless they’re the heavier versions that appeared towards the end of the war (tigers/IS-2’s etc…)

Remove heavy bombers technology and do the following

Replace Heavy Bomber tech with Atom Bomb /  One successful Strategic Bombing attack per turn destroys everything in enemy province.

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Additional Ally advantages

Superfortress / USA starts with bombers (B-29 superfortress) that move at 8 spaces and have an attack value of 5. (only 1 roll per bomber)

Marines / USA player can designate all Infantry units (beginning of the turn) in one amphibious assault as Marines. Attack at 1-2. (artillery does not increase attack value)

Home Guard / UK player Infantry on the United Kingdom territory defend at 1-3.

Industry Movement / Soviet player may move one of his Industrial Complex units each turn at a rate of 1 movement point. (cannot move and produce on the same turn)

USSR economic penalty / (ally disadvantage) Allied forces occupied in the USSR or occupying USSR Territories prevents USSR from collecting IPCs from these territories. The reasoning behind this is the cost of feeding and caring for the foreign forces and also the cost of countering the anti-Communist political propaganda that these forces would introduce to the Soviet populace.

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Additional Axis Advatages

Kamikaze / Japan player may move one Ftr per turn its full movement allowance and attacks at 1-4. Whether it survived the attack or not it is eliminated after the battle.

Panzerkorps / German player may designate one of his armour as SS Panzerkorps during each of his player-turns. May designate any Armour as SS at beginning of the turn. Attacks at 1-4 and defends at 1-5.

U-Boats / Germany builds these subs at 6 IPCs, but must be deployed in the Submarine Pens. Encourages Germany to expand its Navy

Submarine Pens / The territory of Germany has a built in Sub Pen. The Sub Pen works by giving shelter from air attack to Subs in the Baltic Sea Zone. New U-boats must be placed here.

Kiel Kanal / With this variant Germany can still move ships from the Baltic to the Atlantic to avoid the North Sea and UK waters. Must control Western Europe. Germany navy can avoid sea zone surrounding the UK. The Kanal counts as 1 movemnt space. And Axis must control Germany and Western Europe to use it.

Just like actual war, USA will be encourage to spend money to research A-Bomb tech and drop them over Japan with its superior bombers, or possibly Germany.

Oh, I completely I agree that a balanced force will beat out a force of pure infantry (especially if the balanced force is the one attacking). I remember seeing on AH’s website that something like 3 tanks + 5 inf offered the best chance for success on the first round, using only 30 IPCs.

My idea for a stacking limit - while still trying to keep very simple - was to limit the number of inf any country could have on the board at any given time, to their current production level (or some multiple of it). I was thinking of doing 2x your income (as being the max number of inf allowed) but that’s still a pretty big amount, IMO. I was also considering allowing Russia to have a few extras (it’s Russia, after all).

Anyway, at the beginning of your turn, if your income is, say, 45, and you had a total of 42 infantry on the board, you wouldn’t be allowed to buy more than 3 infantry. (But if you then lost territory, without losing infantry, so that your income was only 43 but you had 45 infantry on the board, you wouldn’t have to kill them off - however, at the beginning of your next turn, you wouldn’t be allowed to buy infantry).

Of course, if that limit is too low (for an income of 20 IPCs, you can only have 20 infantry), you can set it to whatever you want - 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x, etc. So if your income was 20, and you’d set it at 1.5x, you could have up to 30 infantry on the board.

You could even use a control marker with an “I” written on it, to keep track (on the production chart) of the number of infantry you’ve got …

forget about stacking limitations… think manpower limitations… but balance both axis and allies equal, while adjusting for historical differences Soviet and German army large… UK army small etc…also allow either side to retreat.